The Obama bubble has burst.

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lawgator1 said:
How is it that a number of them came forward and said they liked at least parts of it, but then within a couple of weeks -- and only after the neocon pundits went ballistic -- suddenly its socialist pork?

The Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for not having the cajones to stand up to these yahoos.
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obama was unwilling to change anything. so you can like parts of it and still vote against it because the majority of it is socialist pork. if an actual attempt had been made to deal with the real concerns people had about the stimulus maybe it would have been a more bipartisan vote.
 
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gsvol said:
I'm so impressed with your lightening quick four seconds of work. Ogden still has represented the porn industry and opposed porn filters in public libraries.

Have you ever thought one with a little semantic pop gun shouldn't be challenging a loaded cannon???
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Copying and pasting blogs is a loaded cannon? If nothing else, at least I think for my damn self. Also, all I did was say you (or the blog more accurately) mischaracterized Ogden, which they did. No need to take it personal.
 
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emainvol said:
Copying and pasting blogs is a loaded cannon? If nothing else, at least I think for my damn self. Also, all I did was say you (or the blog more accurately) mischaracterized Ogden, which they did. No need to take it personal.
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If you don't want me to take it personally then don't try to make it personal, and I think for my damned own self also pal.

The morally corrupt Ogden makes the perfect back up for the rather questionable AG Holder.

I'll bet you didn't know Holdup had worked for Blagojevic in Illinois???

Holder is a lying sack of crap!!


The March 2004 Chicago news conference where Holder and Blagojevich spoke was widely covered because of a controversial 4-1 Gaming Board vote earlier that month to allow a casino to be built in Rosemont. That vote defied the recommendation of the board's staff, which had raised concerns about alleged organized-crime links to the Rosemont casino's developer.

Besides that, the Gaming Board's staff had been concerned that the governor had named his close friend and fund-raiser, Christopher G. Kelly, as a "special government agent" to be involved in official state negotiations about the casino. Kelly, the Sun-Times later learned, was a business partner of Tony Rezko, another Blagojevich fund-raiser who had held an option to lease a hotel site next to the proposed casino site in Rosemont.

Rezko, also a former Obama fund-raiser, and Kelly both have denied any wrongdoing related to the casino, though both have been charged in separate, unrelated criminal cases since 2004.

The Sun-Times disclosed Rezko's interest in the Rosemont hotel site about three weeks before the news conference announcing Holder would be involved in the casino case.

In an interview Tuesday, the Gaming Board's chief investigator in 2004 said the timing of Blagojevich's appointment of Holder raised the staff's suspicions.

"The concern was Holder had a bias to do whatever Blagojevich wanted, which was to give the casino to Rosemont," said Jim Wagner, who was a top Chicago FBI agent before he joined the Gaming Board, from which he retired in December 2005. "We all believed the only reason Holder was coming in was to fashion an investigation that would manipulate the casino into Rosemont."
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Characterize that mister know it all!!!!
 
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droski said:
obama was unwilling to change anything. so you can like parts of it and still vote against it because the majority of it is socialist pork. if an actual attempt had been made to deal with the real concerns people had about the stimulus maybe it would have been a more bipartisan vote.
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You have no idea as to what you are talking about. Obama came out publicly and sternly to house Dems to get some of the pork out of the bill. Every news source ran it. Every newspaper ran it. Seems you might not have been reading/watching that day.
 
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truefan said:
You have no idea as to what you are talking about. Obama came out publicly and sternly to house Dems to get some of the pork out of the bill. Every news source ran it. Every newspaper ran it. Seems you might not have been reading/watching that day.
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:lolabove: do you believe in the tooth fairy too? you must be nuts if you think this bill didnt' come directly from the white house.
 
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truefan said:
You have no idea as to what you are talking about. Obama came out publicly and sternly to house Dems to get some of the pork out of the bill. Every news source ran it. Every newspaper ran it. Seems you might not have been reading/watching that day.
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The big problem here was that a small portion will actually stimulate the economy, the overwhelming majority was pork and pet project spending.
 
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droski said:
:lolabove: do you believe in the tooth fairy too? you must be nuts if you think this bill didnt' come directly from the white house.
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I am giving you facts you and you scoff at it. Fine. Are you saying it didn't happen? Or are you just stupid?
 
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rjd970 said:
I also like how when the other side hated on Bush or questioned his actions they were being unpatriotic, and now that the shoe is on the other foot the naysayers are simple "the dedicated opposition", and being american for practicing there right to question Obama.
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Please don't leave out the people who claimed complaining about Bush was their duty as citizens but now say anyone complaining about Obama is simply a whiny partisan.

615 is correct - it goes both ways.
 
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truefan said:
You have no idea as to what you are talking about. Obama came out publicly and sternly to house Dems to get some of the pork out of the bill. Every news source ran it. Every newspaper ran it. Seems you might not have been reading/watching that day.
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Seriously? This was an Obama plan that he gave to Pelosi to write up. She didn't allow R input (a change in typical spending bill development). The bill is the size and mix and focus of what Obama laid out.

He claimed he'd listen to anyone with a good idea. Instead, he put his ideas forward and stonewalled any attempts to interject other ideas.
 
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truefan said:
I am giving you facts you and you scoff at it. Fine. Are you saying it didn't happen? Or are you just stupid?
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Go look at what the plan was coming from the WH and what it looks like now - virtually identical in size and scope.

Document how Rs in the house were allowed to contribute to this bill?

Document how Rs in the Senate were allowed to contribute to this bill.

Finally compare the final bill to what Obama put forward - they will be virtually identical.
 
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It's insane to think this was anything but White House driven. Pelosi's shenanigans saw to it that it remained that way.
 
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truefan said:
:lolabove:

That is your opinion and your interpretation.

If you can't admit he went into without a clear cut plan, then say so. Otherwise it is extremely foolish for you to affirm W's plan. Tons of people much smarter than you have said so. And I am talking about tons from the right side of the aisle.
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Well the thing about is, we ended up victorious in Iraq and that's a fact Jack.

So where's the beef???

I don't see what that has to do with bursting your bubble about Obama.

The way you're talking, you would think we were insulting your mommy.

I notice you attempt to answer none of my questions.
 
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gsvol said:
Well the thing about is, we ended up victorious in Iraq and that's a fact Jack.

So where's the beef???

I don't see what that has to do with bursting your bubble about Obama.

The way you're talking, you would think we were insulting your mommy.
I notice you attempt to answer none of my questions.
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For which I am very glad.

:eek:k:
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's insane to think this was anything but White House driven. Pelosi's shenanigans saw to it that it remained that way.
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The whole debacle is a huge lurch to the left into what the Dems evidently want, a fascist state.

Obambi is totally innocent????

I could believe that, if I could believe the Easter bunny lays colored eggs.
 
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I keep seeing the word fascist thrown around. So right now, Obama and the democratic Congress are a bunch of military hating, Marxist fascists. There are many forms of fascism, but they are pretty much always anti-communist and militaristic.

So what is it?
 
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Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy are a couple of guys that come to mind when the word fascist is brought up.
 
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MG1968 said:
not surprising coming from someone in academia.
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Please stop with the stereotyping. I am as pro-military as you, probably more so. Both of those men fit the description of fascists based on their actions as advisors to the president.

It is a unbelievably ignorant statement to make
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Oliver North?
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YES...he was a major player in probably the biggest fraud perpetuated on the American public in history because he thought it was for the "good" of the country.

Watergate paled in comparison to Iran-Contra
 
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truefan said:
Please stop with the stereotyping. I am as pro-military as you, probably more so. Both of those men fit the description of fascists based on their actions as advisors to the president.

It is a unbelievably ignorant statement to make
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so, Janet Reno didn't come to your mind? Her actions during Waco and the Elian Gonzales fiasco go far beyond anything whispered by North and Liddy. People weren't murdered for their beliefs by North and Liddy.

and I doubt very seriously that you are anywhere near as pro-military as I am.
 
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truefan said:
YES...he was a major player in probably the biggest fraud perpetuated on the American public in history because he thought it was for the "good" of the country.

Watergate paled in comparison to Iran-Contra
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yep, only the dems would keep us from fighting bad people.

you libs are a pathetic bunch. i can't wait until dems wake up an realize that America isn't the bad guy.
 
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joevol320 said:
yep, only the dems would keep us from fighting bad people.

you libs are a pathetic bunch. i can't wait until dems wake up an realize that America isn't the bad guy.
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I can't wait til you wake up and realize that some of us "libs" aren't the bad guys either.
 
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