The "Occupy" Rallies

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VOLatile said:
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is that deodorant? ringworm/scabies medication?
 
#982
#982
MG1968 said:
maybe they shouldn't be blocking that sidewalk

sorry, I'm just not going to have a lot of sympathy for those people.
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Do you think it is okay to physically abuse individuals that are not causing you any harm? are not threatening to cause you harm?
 
#984
#984
therealUT said:
Do you think it is okay to physically abuse individuals that are not causing you any harm? are not threatening to cause you harm?
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again, it sucks to get pepper sprayed, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over a few OWS protesters getting roughed up by local cops. We were treated worse (at times) in Basic Training.
 
#985
#985
MG1968 said:
again, it sucks to get pepper sprayed, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over a few OWS protesters getting roughed up by local cops. We were treated worse (at times) in Basic Training.
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And, we voluntarily signed up for it and signed certain rights away.

These protesters are not Soldiers but they are still not only Citizens but Human Beings who have the right to assemble peacefully without be subjected to physical abuse (particularly by those who are supposed to protect and defend their rights).
 
#986
#986
I agree that they have a right to peacefully assemble and if that is the context in which that photo is taken, I'll agree that they shouldn't be pepper sprayed.

However, if that sidewalk is in Zucotti Park, which is private property, and the photo was taken after OWS was ordered to leave, then those protesters are trespassing.

The right to freedom of expression does not carry with it an implicit denial of the rights of others.
 
#987
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MG1968 said:
I agree that they have a right to peacefully assemble and if that is the context in which that photo is taken, I'll agree that they shouldn't be pepper sprayed.

However, if that sidewalk is in Zucotti Park, which is private property, and the photo was taken after OWS was ordered to leave, then those protesters are trespassing.

The right to freedom of expression does not carry with it an implicit denial of the rights of others.
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It was in the middle of UC-Davis's campus. They are UC-Davis students. Public property; tuition paying students; peaceful.
 
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therealUT said:
It was in the middle of UC-Davis's campus. They are UC-Davis students. Public property; tuition paying students; peaceful.
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In addition to the quote below, and recognizing it is from the UC Police Chief, there were also witnesses who stated that the students had been warned multiple times to leave. When they refused to do so then they were also warned that they would be pepper sprayed if they chose not to leave. Would you prefer the officers use their sticks and tear gas, or just manhandle them which generally leads to more unnecessary interaction between students and police.

Feel sorry for the students if you want, but imo they're not sure what they're protesting but seem to welcome the opportunity for attention.

At Saturday's news conference, UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said the decision to use pepper spray was made at the scene.

"The students had encircled the officers," she said. "They needed to exit. They were looking to leave but were unable to get out."
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
In addition to the quote below, and recognizing it is from the UC Police Chief, there were also witnesses who stated that the students had been warned multiple times to leave. When they refused to do so then they were also warned that they would be pepper sprayed if they chose not to leave. Would you prefer the officers use their sticks and tear gas, or just manhandle them which generally leads to more unnecessary interaction between students and police.

Feel sorry for the students if you want, but imo they're not sure what they're protesting but seem to welcome the opportunity for attention.
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I would prefer that if the police had the authority to remove the students from the ground, then they announce that if the students do not disband, they will arrest the students. Then, when the students do not disband, they move in and arrest. If the students at that point physically resist and fight back, then the police are authorized to escalate their use of force.

As for your quote, and the officers inability to get out, I have to laugh. The officers could have easily stepped over the sitting students. Or, they could have tried to walk through and at the point they were physically restrained have acted against the individuals restraining them.
 
#992
#992
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I see. So your preference is to arrest these "peaceful, student protestors".
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My ultimate preference is to let them sit in public as long as they are being peaceful; if some institution rules that is unacceptable, then my preference is they at least get to be heard in court before being subjected to any type of punishment.
 
#994
#994
VOLatile said:
No.?98-17250. - HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT - US 9th Circuit

What the campus police did was deemed excessive force and illegal.
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Yeah... I see the similarities.

After the protestors refused to release, the officers forced four of the protestors' heads back and applied pepper spray with a Q-tip to the corners of their closed eyes.   The three protestors who had not received the pepper spray voluntarily released.   The officers then reapplied the pepper spray with Q-tips to the eyelids of the four protestors who remained in the “black bears.”   The four protestors still did not release.   Twenty minutes after the pepper spray was first applied and six minutes after its second application, the officers sprayed water into the eyes of the four protestors to dilute the pepper spray, continuing to do so periodically for more than an hour.
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#1,000
#1,000
Really? Sitting on a sidewalk is mayhem? It qualifies riot gear? If the cops have so much authority, why don't they simply pick them up and arrest them instead of pepper spraying them?

Some of the conservatives here are ardently defending a disgusting display of unnecessary force by the police, which goes against the very foundations of personal liberty, freedom of expression, and small government.

It's truly pathetic what we as American citizens have become. You're inadvertently endorsing martial law.

It's a ****ing sidewalk. Boo ****ing hoo.
 
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