The Official #9 Tennessee @ #8 Ohio State Game Thread, 8:00 PM ET, ABC/ESPN

I'd say the main difference between Heupel and his recent predecessors, is that he's capable of beating the likes of Florida and Alabama when they have a down year, and win 'most' of the games he should win, against equal or lesser talent.

He's definitely an improvement, but if we have to peg our season on our opponents having a bad years to find success, then we need to accept our place as a middling SEC team.

He seems to want to minimize mistakes and limit how bad we get beat with some hope for a miracle. Other coaches just go out and lay it all on the line because they know that’s their best chance to win. He seems to have regressed in his aggressive nature and it seems like it’s due to his blind loyalty to Nico and handling him with kids gloves. The upside to Nico isn’t looking good.
 
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He seems to want to minimize mistakes and limit how bad we get beat with some hope for a miracle. Other coaches just go out and lay it all on the line because they know that’s their best chance to win. He seems to have regressed in his aggressive nature and it seems like it’s due to his blind loyalty to Nico and handling him with kids gloves. The upside to Nico isn’t looking good.

I’m getting concerned about Nico as well. Seems to have the tools but not the mental fortitude. Could be the atrocious offensive line though. He doesn’t get much of a pocket.
 
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I’m getting concerned about Nico as well. Seems to have the tools but not the mental fortitude. Could be the atrocious offensive line though. He doesn’t get much of a pocket.

The line has their problems but he makes it look worse than it is at times. He can have all day but if that first guy isn’t there he collapses.
 
The line has their problems but he makes it look worse than it is at times. He can have all day but if that first guy isn’t there he collapses.


The oline is bad. There is no development of depth or players on the oline. Elarbee is unqualified and has no business being the oline coach of an SEC program. But Elarbee is Heupel’s boy.
 
I can’t see them dropping the 12 playoff teams below 12 at worst (they’ve spent the last 10 years keeping the four playoff teams in the top 4-5-6 or so spots regardless of how the games actually went).

And with Tennessee currently at 6 and 7, Indiana (who was 9th in both polls) losing, and Alabama currently being around 11th…I can’t see the Vols dropping that far. That would be an 8-11 spot drop in the AP and Coaches Polls for this game.
Not to sound like a D but what does it matter?
 
Not to sound like a D but what does it matter?
Some people like analyzing how things like the polls work.

I’ll also go on and say that finishing the year in the top 10 is still quite a good season, even as disappointing as tonight’s game and the season’s ending might be. (Edit: Also, would also mean Tennessee finished inside of the top 10 twice over the last three seasons for the first time since the 1999-2001 period)
 
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Fire Heupel...

On a serious note, I am not confident that we could find something as good as Heupel. Tennessee just isn't an elite football program. Tennessee is a decent one but not great. We would need a Nick Saban or Bob Neyland type coach to walk in the door to change that and that isn't happening.
In three years when we are looking for another coach everyone will agree. Just like with Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt. Hype will have instilled a good culture and probably 8 to 9 win seasons but no SEC or NCAA championships
He's just not the guy either. Good stop gap coach that will win enough to get you to a bowl game.
 
**** you and every OSU fan. You’re worse than bama fans.
Dude, we got destroyed tonight.

Not the time to criticize ANY fan base

We talked a huge talk because we had greater faith in our boys than they had in themselves

We got punked. Time to keep our heads down for a bit.

Luckily, there's a major holiday on the horizon and time off work for most of us. A chance to occupy our minds with things that bring us joy. After that, there will be more football and chances are another big embarrassment will take place.
 
Regarding my earlier post, I apologize for the way I conveyed it. It does not reflect the person I want to be and sometimes my frustration is ill-timed. I’m a sinner like everybody else and I shouldn’t have said it.
I don’t listen to Herbstreit or any of the others on ESPN because I can’t stand their arrogance or much else about them. In my opinion, the network has gone downhill in quality since the days of Franklin and Gottfried. There was a time when Gameday was insightful and pleasurable to watch. Now, they have clowns, with the exception of Saban, who actually has substance and credibility. I watched him once or twice this year early on, but I haven’t since. I always mute the TV and can listen to the Vol Network, thankfully.
Herbstreit played QB for OSU. No way he should be calling one of their games, especially a playoff game. It’s like when Pollack would call games that UGA played in or Bilas calling Duke basketball games for ESPN. I have said on here before how great it would be for a rival network to emerge that challenged ESPN.
The past 10 years or so, he has said some things about Tennessee that rubbed me the wrong way, and I don’t care for him or for what he thinks. When he was shown grinning on TV as the Vols were getting beaten by his alma mater, that pretty much did it.
I realize that I could have chosen my words more carefully and, again, I apologize to anyone who was offended. I love the Vols as much as anybody and I believe the best days are ahead. They have some soul searching to do and quickly, because the college game has changed, albeit negatively, and the team aspect is more important than ever before.
On to basketball. Go Big Orange!!!
 
Heupel: " We got to play better, we got to coach better.........at the end of the day, we got to continue to grow"

Same ole......Coach, at the end of the day, it's the end of the day. I want to know specifically how you are going to fix the horrible defense and pathetic offense we saw on the field tonight?
Been hearing him say that for 4 years.
 
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Hooker, Hyatt, and Tillman weren't just your average guys and with elite talent you can run the fastest tempo imaginable and get the best separation and make the good reads consistently.

When you don't have guys like that, you can't use the same playbook and expect those kinds of results.
Interestingly, those guys were not recruited by Heupel. They were Pruitt's boys. That's a sobering thought.
 

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