The Official Michael Cohen Testimony Thread

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Hunerwadel said:
Yes, there is need to question more people.

The president orchestrated hush payments in violation of campaign finance laws. Witnessed by CFO Weisselberg. Come on down Mr Weisselberg.

Defrauding his own charity for personal gain. Should easily be shown to have been paid for by the charity. Come on down soon to be named straw man. And SDNY and or State of NY already has the charity's financial records.

He deflated his personal wealth in order to evade taxes. I'm sure SDNY has or will soon have his financials on that front. So will the State of NY. People will have to be questioned about that.

Trump's lawyers including Sekulow changed changed Cohen's prepared testimony. Come on down Jay and other Trump lawyers and see if they tell the same story. If Trump's lawyers did that then Trump knew.

I didn't get to see it all but the above are a few things that need to be looked at.
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1. Hush payments are not a violation of campaign finance laws. I hate to break your heart.

2. What charity fraud?

3. Telling your lawyer to report things being of the least value possible is not tax fraud, it’s common sense. If your car is worth between 3,000-4,000 when you pay taxes, you say “3000”. Not a crime

4. How’s that a crime?

The fact that this is all over the place and none of the four things you mentioned even remotely involve collusion, just shows what a ridiculous witch hunt this is.
 
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volinbham said:
Is Congress the finder of crimes?

Is Congress the forum to indict or charge for crimes?

Interesting that the key witness in all these potential crimes is about to go to prison and hence not available to be a witness in any trial of said potential crimes.

I have no doubt that Dems will run hearings about every one of these things for the next 2 years but none of these are punishable by Congress nor will lead to impeachment and conviction (removal from office). They will be entirely motivated by political objectives and that should be of concern to every citizen but it's all about winning so principles be damned.
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Trey Gowdy was making that point earlier. The Southern District Court AND Mueller both refuse to use Cohen as a witness. Wonder why? He's damaged goods at his own hands. He's not believable in any aspect.
 
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The big news may still turn out to be whether Trump knew of the coming email dump. In the questions submitted by Mueller, Trump was asked if he had conversations with Stome about Wikileaks and Assange dumping emails. Trump has specifically denied that publicly.

But Cohen says he was there when Stone called and told him he had talked to Assange and the email dump was coming. Further, that Trump responded such was great news.

If Trump answered to Mueller as he has answered publicly - that he had no such communication -- and if Cohen's testimony is corroborated by Stone, other witnesses, or documentation -- then Trump will have categorically lied to Mueller and will be impeached and should be convicted if the GOP has any integrity left to salvage.
 
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Vol737 said:
Trey Gowdy was making that point earlier. The Southern District Court AND Mueller both refuse to use Cohen as a witness. Wonder why? He's damaged goods at his own hands. He's not believable in any aspect.
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He’s just a tool the dims used for grandstanding.
 
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volinbham said:
I expect if his claim is Trump "code directed" me to lie to Congress he could explain the specific code he received for that "direction".

Did he do that?
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I think this was in the story I linked

For example, Cohen said Trump would frequently remark that he had no business ties in Russia. Cohen said he understood Trump to mean that he should deny any such connections.

Cohen also gave a theoretical example of Trump complimenting someone on a necktie and others feeling forced to agree, regardless of their opinion of the attire. Trump would use such statements to indicate how he wanted Cohen or others to portray the situation under discussion, Cohen said.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The big news may still turn out to be whether Trump knew of the coming email dump. In the questions submitted by Mueller, Trump was asked if he had conversations with Stome about Wikileaks and Assange dumping emails. Trump has specifically denied that publicly.

But Cohen says he was there when Stone called and told him he had talked to Assange and the email dump was coming. Further, that Trump responded such was great news.

If Trump answered to Mueller as he has answered publicly - that he had no such communication -- and if Cohen's testimony is corroborated by Stone, other witnesses, or documentation -- then Trump will have categorically lied to Mueller and will be impeached and should be convicted if the GOP has any integrity left to salvage.
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Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted? What you've suggested (if true - big if) is the exact same thing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The big news may still turn out to be whether Trump knew of the coming email dump. In the questions submitted by Mueller, Trump was asked if he had conversations with Stome about Wikileaks and Assange dumping emails. Trump has specifically denied that publicly.

But Cohen says he was there when Stone called and told him he had talked to Assange and the email dump was coming. Further, that Trump responded such was great news.

If Trump answered to Mueller as he has answered publicly - that he had no such communication -- and if Cohen's testimony is corroborated by Stone, other witnesses, or documentation -- then Trump will have categorically lied to Mueller and will be impeached and should be convicted if the GOP has any integrity left to salvage.
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Let me get this right:

You believe he should be impeached for perjury if his political party has any integrity?

Ummm...were you born after the year 1998? Or did the parties flip since then and that was a different Democratic Party?
 
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volinbham said:
Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted? What you've suggested (if true - big if) is the exact same thing.
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Maybe he’s admitting Democrats have no integrity. Or maybe the parties magically flipped since 1998 and that wasn’t the same Democratic Party. It was those mean ole republicans pretending to be democrats or something
 
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evillawyer said:
I think this was in the story I linked

For example, Cohen said Trump would frequently remark that he had no business ties in Russia. Cohen said he understood Trump to mean that he should deny any such connections.

Cohen also gave a theoretical example of Trump complimenting someone on a necktie and others feeling forced to agree, regardless of their opinion of the attire. Trump would use such statements to indicate how he wanted Cohen or others to portray the situation under discussion, Cohen said.
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I'm asking if today he made any explanation of what code he interpreted meant "lie to Congress". Sounds like the answer is no and instead he used an analogy. Why not say "I heard this from Trump and took it to mean lie while testifying under oath".

Why an analogy when specifics would be more compelling? Maybe the specifics aren't there?

Anyhoo - how about the documentation (a key part of the BF article). Anything at all about that today?
 
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volinbham said:
I'm asking if today he made any explanation of what code he interpreted meant "lie to Congress". Sounds like the answer is no and instead he used an analogy. Why not say "I heard this from Trump and took it to mean lie while testifying under oath".

Why an analogy when specifics would be more compelling? Maybe the specifics aren't there?

Anyhoo - how about the documentation (a key part of the BF article). Anything at all about that today?
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The first part has clips of the relevant testimony and a federal prosecutor explaining significance

 
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Vol8188 said:
Let me get this right:

You believe he should be impeached for perjury if his political party has any integrity?

Ummm...were you born after the year 1998? Or did the parties flip since then and that was a different Democratic Party?
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I'm saying that if there is strong evidence that he lied to Mueller about knowing about the email dump and having conversations with Stone about it, I would expect the House to impeach him for that.

In the senate, faced with evidence of Trump having lied to Mueller, about something so important, I think the GOP would come face to face with a very difficult choice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm saying that if there is strong evidence that he lied to Mueller about knowing about the email dump and having conversations with Stone about it, I would expect the House to impeach him for that.

In the senate, faced with evidence of Trump having lied to Mueller, about something so important, I think the GOP would come face to face with a very difficult choice.
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Good job on completely ignoring my post while responding to my post. That was impressive
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm saying that if there is strong evidence that he lied to Mueller about knowing about the email dump and having conversations with Stone about it, I would expect the House to impeach him for that.

In the senate, faced with evidence of Trump having lied to Mueller, about something so important, I think the GOP would come face to face with a very difficult choice.
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Let’s try this again: do you agree democrats lack integrity for not impeaching Clinton?

If yes, you’re consistent. If “no”, then what’s the difference?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The big news may still turn out to be whether Trump knew of the coming email dump. In the questions submitted by Mueller, Trump was asked if he had conversations with Stome about Wikileaks and Assange dumping emails. Trump has specifically denied that publicly.

But Cohen says he was there when Stone called and told him he had talked to Assange and the email dump was coming. Further, that Trump responded such was great news.

If Trump answered to Mueller as he has answered publicly - that he had no such communication -- and if Cohen's testimony is corroborated by Stone, other witnesses, or documentation -- then Trump will have categorically lied to Mueller and will be impeached and should be convicted if the GOP has any integrity left to salvage.
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I talked to none of them and knew the email dump was coming.

And a heads up, more is coming.
 
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