The Official Tennessee Titans Thread II

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Thrasher865 said:
Interesting. I would have thought the Titans would be one of the last teams to have adecent following overseas.
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Well the titans are not by any means the most supported team over here, but they have a decent following from the McNair era. Since our Channel coverage back then apparently only used to show about 5 full games a year and the superbowl. Of which the games shown would include the best team at the time.

Over here in popularity I would say it goes:

Patriots
Dolphins
Cowboys
Bears
Steelers
Giants
49ers
Eagles
Raiders
Saints

I would say the titans are about 20th in popularity.
 
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In the press conference Webster said that they need to address every level of the defense and the offensive line during the offseason. Also stated the team will have more than $30 million in salary cap space.
 
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HSVol said:
In the press conference Webster said that they need to address every level of the defense and the offensive line during the offseason. Also stated the team will have more than $30 million in salary cap space.
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I'd like us to go after Carl Nicks but we never spend money in free agency.
 
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Burhead said:
I'd like us to go after Carl Nicks but we never spend money in free agency.
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Since they announced they have $30 million in cap space, I'd say they're going to spend some dough this offseason. Hopefully it's as productive as the Hope/Mawae/Thornton free agent signings in 2008. Of course, they'll wait at least a week to sign someone and everyone will be upset about it, but they'll spend a bit on the right guys.
 
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Unconfirmed report out there stating that former UK DC Steve Brown has been named Assistant DBs Coach for the Titans.

Edit: Now confirmed by Jim Wyatt.
 
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Why do you all think Jerry Gray is getting so much attention for HC jobs? Colts and Bucs are interviewing him. Is it just due to the Rooney rule?
 
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volfanjustin said:
Why do you all think Jerry Gray is getting so much attention for HC jobs? Colts and Bucs are interviewing him. Is it just due to the Rooney rule?
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He'll get one as soon as he establishes himself as a competent DC. Just a matter of time, IMO. Either college or pro, I don't know which, but he'll be a head coach one day. I don't believe that because he's a Titans coach, but because he's one of the default Rooney Rule guys now and almost all of those default Rooney Rule candidates have eventually gotten HC jobs somewhere.
 
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HSVol said:
He'll get one as soon as he establishes himself as a competent DC. Just a matter of time, IMO. Either college or pro, I don't know which, but he'll be a head coach one day. I don't believe that because he's a Titans coach, but because he's one of the default Rooney Rule guys now and almost all of those default Rooney Rule candidates have eventually gotten HC jobs somewhere.
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What do you think of that rule? I want the best candidate I don't care if he is pick with purple stripes. I was thinking about Gray on this, what if neither of those places are really considering him, they are jerking him around just because they have to.
 
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I think the Rooney Rule is stupid, because I don't believe many GMs/owners discriminate based on skin color, and those that do aren't going to hire the guy after they interview him anyway.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I think the Rooney Rule is stupid, because I don't believe many GMs/owners discriminate based on skin color, and those that do aren't going to hire the guy after they interview him anyway.
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I agree, I don't see many, if any owners not hiring a guy who they believe will win them games only because his skin color.
 
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This might not be a popular opinion with a lot of people, but I think it's a good rule. Doesn't mean you have to hire a minority candidate for HC or GM, but it means you have to interview a minority candidate.

I was going to write a long post on my thoughts on the Rooney Rule, which I support, but this article does a better job than I could. Oh, and it talks about Jerry Gray.

NFL's Rooney Rule has boosted minority coaches and general managers - Tampa Bay Times

The best illustration of the success of this rule, in my opinion, is displayed by this quote:

"The success of those coaches … has been the proof. There has been an African-American coach or general manager in four of the past five Super Bowls."
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There hadn't been an AA coach to ever coach in the Super Bowl before the RR, and now look...I'm not saying the NFL was racist before. I'm just saying that it was stuck in a pattern of institutional groupthink.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be quite a few that disagree with me, but that's fine.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I think the Rooney Rule is stupid, because I don't believe many GMs/owners discriminate based on skin color, and those that do aren't going to hire the guy after they interview him anyway.
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I'm not sure the Pre-Rooney rule statistics agree with your assessment.
 
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HSVol said:
This might not be a popular opinion with a lot of people, but I think it's a good rule. Doesn't mean you have to hire a minority candidate for HC or GM, but it means you have to interview a minority candidate.

I was going to write a long post on my thoughts on the Rooney Rule, which I support, but this article does a better job than I could. Oh, and it talks about Jerry Gray.

NFL's Rooney Rule has boosted minority coaches and general managers - Tampa Bay Times

The best illustration of the success of this rule, in my opinion, is displayed by this quote:



There hadn't been an AA coach to ever coach in the Super Bowl before the RR, and now look...I'm not saying the NFL was racist before. I'm just saying that it was stuck in a pattern of institutional groupthink.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be quite a few that disagree with me, but that's fine.
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Tony Dungy was hired before the rule was put into effect so even though he took the Colts to the Super Bowl after the rule had been put in place he was already there. I think the same could be said for Lovie Smith.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Tony Dungy was hired before the rule was put into effect so even though he took the Colts to the Super Bowl after the rule had been put in place he was already there. I think the same could be said for Lovie Smith.
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Justin, I'm certain I am not going to change your mind on this, so I don't want this to be a contentious discussion. Yes, Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith are two of the three referenced as HCs at the time of the RR's implementation.

But what about the four decades prior? And how do you explain the dramatic change in AA coaching/upper level management hires and their corresponding success since the rule was implemented?
 
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HSVol said:
Justin, I'm certain I am not going to change your mind on this, so I don't want this to be a contentious discussion. Yes, Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith are two of the three referenced as HCs at the time of the RR's implementation.

But what about the four decades prior? And how do you explain the dramatic change in AA coaching/upper level management hires and their corresponding success since the rule was implemented?
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You aren't as I know I am not going to change your mind. I am not trying to turn this into an argument, I just asked out of curiosity.

I just hate having to bring someone in based on color only, just as I would hate not bringing someone in based on color. My point on Dungy and Smith was they were hired prior to the rule being implemented and both of them made it to the SB. Times have changed over the last 4 decades those same people are not in power anymore.
 
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volfanjustin said:
You aren't as I know I am not going to change your mind. I am not trying to turn this into an argument, I just asked out of curiosity.

I just hate having to bring someone in based on color only, just as I would hate not bringing someone in based on color. My point on Dungy and Smith was they were hired prior to the rule being implemented and both of them made it to the SB. Times have changed over the last 4 decades those same people are not in power anymore.
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The thing is that it really isn't forcing them to hire minority candidates. It forces teams to take a look at non-traditional candidates.

I think the results of the Rooney Rule are pretty conclusive. At least they are to me. I think it's very, very fair to say, regardless of your stance on the rule, is that minorities were severely under-represented at the head coach and general manager level prior to this rule. Now that the rule has been implemeneted, there is a much higher chance that a team hires a minority candidate for a senior-level position.

The rule doesn't force anyone to hire a minority candidate. It doesn't even require hiring quotas. It is NOT affirmative action. It isn't like government positions that give higher weight to minority or female candidates. It simply ensures that a minority candidate gets an opportunity to make their case to be the face of a franchise. And now that the rule is implemented, more owners are selecting these candidates based on the candidate's own merits and the owner's evaluation of that individual.

For the record, I do not support affirmative action or hiring quotas. At all. I do, however, believe that diversity is a good thing.
 
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HSVol said:
The thing is that it really isn't forcing them to hire minority candidates. It forces teams to take a look at non-traditional candidates.

I think the results of the Rooney Rule are pretty conclusive. At least they are to me. I think it's very, very fair to say, regardless of your stance on the rule, is that minorities were severely under-represented at the head coach and general manager level prior to this rule. Now that the rule has been implemeneted, there is a much higher chance that a team hires a minority candidate for a senior-level position.

The rule doesn't force anyone to hire a minority candidate. It doesn't even require hiring quotas. It is NOT affirmative action. It isn't like government positions that give higher weight to minority or female candidates. It simply ensures that a minority candidate gets an opportunity to make their case to be the face of a franchise. And now that the rule is implemented, more owners are selecting these candidates based on the candidate's own merits and the owner's evaluation of that individual.

For the record, I do not support affirmative action or hiring quotas. At all. I do, however, believe that diversity is a good thing.
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Diversity is a good thing, I just don't like a team or organization being forced into interviewing someone.

I really don't like when they bring in a candidate just because they have to and when that guy does not have a chance at the job.
 
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HSVol said:
I think the results of the Rooney Rule are pretty conclusive. At least they are to me. I think it's very, very fair to say, regardless of your stance on the rule, is that minorities were severely under-represented at the head coach and general manager level prior to this rule. Now that the rule has been implemeneted, there is a much higher chance that a team hires a minority candidate for a senior-level position.
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I think a lot of it is just that society is more progressive and I think the number of black head coaches would increase with or without the Rooney rule, as it had already started increasing.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I think a lot of it is just that society is more progressive and I think the number of black head coaches would increase with or without the Rooney rule, as it had already started increasing.
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Do you believe that the uptick in minority hirings after implementation of the Rooney Rule is merely a coincidence?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Do you believe the uptick of minority hirings before the rule should be ignored?
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Are you saying two guys (Tony Dungy and Dennis Green) who had been HCs since the mid-90s, plus Lovie Smith, constitutes an uptick? I'm not sure about that. I don't have the data on General Managers, but know Ozzie Newsome was a GM at the time.

There is no denying that the tide was beginning to change, but it was obviously occuring at too slow of a rate and needed a catalyst. The Rooney Rule was a positive catalyst and it has worked.
 
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