The Official Tennessee Titans thread IV

[JMSqb11]

Prove he’s inaccurate. His completion % overall doesn’t support that but maybe you have more on this.

Poor decisions or forcing throws, most certainly a fair criticism.

65% and turnover city is being inaccurate and inefficient. There is a reason he was near the bottom of the league in passing…. Titans really thinking they got a QB that is somewhat close to being as good as Bryce or even Stroud.

 

[Ttucke11]

The notion that tanking is the solution is hilarious. Good luck intentionally tanking a roster that's got 7-9 wins in them. Not like that's gonna cause roster or locker room issues or anything. Do you think Vrabel and Ran would just go into the locker room and tell everyone to get ready to lose so they can get a better draft pick?

They looked good at tanking to end the season. Run Malik out there and we had a guaranteed number 1 overall.

 

[Vol8188]

Not by the people that actually draft though..

Not arguing, Just pointing it out.

That’s not how any of this works. Plenty of those teams have stable QB situations, others could’ve been considering him but had bigger needs. We have no idea if this claim is true. And it could be made about any player.

 

[Vol8188]

Please cite your source that Levis had a 75% completion percentage….

Pff

 

[JMSqb11]

The last 2 seasons against Power 5 schools Levis averages 16 of 25 for 178 yards, 1.3 TD's and .9 INTs a game. The only game he had with more than 300 yards was against TN last season. Out of 18 games he has thrown 3 TD's in only 3 of them, but sure let’s get him out of Kentucky

 

[KB5252]

He was overvalued....at 2. Not at 33.

I am willing to bet the guys who are most mad at this pretty much just watch the Titans and are bigger fans of CFB. Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert....all much better QB's at the pro level because their physical tools are much more useful at this level. You used a 2nd rd pick to get a guy who can spin it as well as anybody.

There is so much more that goes into being a good QB, but WL has the only things you can't learn.

My issue isn't with taking Levis at that spot, although admittedly I do not think he's going to be a top 20 NFL QB. It's that we wasted the value by mortgaging future picks and ignoring immediate needs. If that was the move I would have rather traded down to do it, stack picks for the future.

Instead we continued a trend of mortgaging the future without truly addressing pressing needs. Kicking the can down the road without addressing immediate needs is how teams get desperate.

 

[JMSqb11]

 

[95 Vol Alum]

65% and turnover city is being inaccurate and inefficient. There is a reason he was near the bottom of the league in passing…. Titans really thinking they got a QB that is somewhat close to being as good as Bryce or even Stroud.

He was 5th in QBR, 7th in comp %, 5th in YPA. That’s not bottom of the league.

He forces throws, yes, and took too many sacks. I’m sure the Titans believe they can work on that. Maybe it works or doesn’t, but a 2nd rd pick is not a bad spot to take that chance.

 

[Vol8188]

He was 5th in QBR, 7th in comp %, 5th in YPA. That’s not bottom of the league.

He forces throws, yes, and took too many sacks. I’m sure the Titans believe they can work on that. Maybe it works or doesn’t, but a 2nd rd pick is not a bad spot to take that chance.

You’ve got to wonder how much of that had to do with his supporting cast. Playing from behind and realizing no one else on your team can make plays can cause a QB to force bad throws and hold the ball waiting for something to develop leading to more sacks.

 

[Tyler865]

The notion that tanking is the solution is hilarious. Good luck intentionally tanking a roster that's got 7-9 wins in them. Not like that's gonna cause roster or locker room issues or anything. Do you think Vrabel and Ran would just go into the locker room and tell everyone to get ready to lose so they can get a better draft pick?

I would say they typically get the message if good players begin to be traded for future assets. Byard and Henry come to mind.

I’m down to start Levis and hope for Marvin Harrison Jr at the top of the draft next season.

This roster is really bad where it counts. Cornerback, WR, Edge, OT. Cornerback and WR we may be the worst in the league at.

Agreed. It is stunning in hindsight that this team almost won the division with Josh Dobbs as QB. Vrabel has quickly entered the Mike Tomlin territory where all he seemingly knows how to do is be competitive.

 

[JMSqb11]

He was 5th in QBR, 7th in comp %, 5th in YPA. That’s not bottom of the league.

He forces throws, yes, and took too many sacks. I’m sure the Titans believe they can work on that. Maybe it works or doesn’t, but a 2nd rd pick is not a bad spot to take that chance.

For a player who is not going to produce for atleast a year when there are players also available who fill an immediate need was absolutely moronic. While Ran doesn’t take blame for last year’s fiasco with Malik being drafted, it’s even more mind blowing and moronic to take a QB there…. We’ve wasted 4 picks in 2 years on a QB and RB….. all while doing nothing to the receiving group or line except for both first rounders….

To honestly sit there and think Levis was a coherent decision after walking into this mess just shows Ran is going to have a rough go at being a GM. It isn’t like he’s hitching his wagon to Bryce Young…. He’s walked into a team that has ignored to providing and protecting for the QB position and insisted on continuing to do so. Gross

 

[KB5252]

That’s not how any of this works. Plenty of those teams have stable QB situations, others could’ve been considering him but had bigger needs. We have no idea if this claim is true. And it could be made about any player.

We had bigger needs as well..... Immediate needs that have gone unfilled. That's my only real issue with the pick, that and mortgaging future picks to get him.

 

[Vol8188]

We had bigger needs as well..... Immediate needs that have gone unfilled. That's my only real issue with the pick, that and mortgaging future picks to get him.

If you get QB right all those other needs become much smaller concerns.

 

[Vol8188]

For a player who is not going to produce for atleast a year when there are players also available who fill an immediate need was absolutely moronic. While Ran doesn’t take blame for last year’s fiasco with Malik being drafted, it’s even more mind blowing and moronic to take a QB there…. We’ve wasted 4 picks in 2 years on a QB and RB….. all while doing nothing to the receiving group or line except for both first rounders….

To honestly sit there and think Levis was a coherent decision after walking into this mess just shows Ran is going to have a rough go at being a GM. It isn’t like he’s hitching his wagon to Bryce Young…. He’s walked into a team that has ignored to providing and protecting for the QB position and insisted on continuing to do so. Gross

“If you were drafting based on potential, he’d gone number 1”-PFF on Will Levis.

Lol yeah, we should all be really upset

 

[95 Vol Alum]

We had bigger needs as well..... Immediate needs that have gone unfilled. That's my only real issue with the pick, that and mortgaging future picks to get him.

Lots of needs certainly. A rookie WR in the second round isn’t any more of a guarantee to improve that position, though.

They likely would’ve mortgaged significantly more next year to move to a top 5 pick to get a QB to replace RT.

 

[JMSqb11]

“If you were drafting based on potential, he’d gone number 1”-PFF on Will Levis.

Lol yeah, we should all be really upset

Is this the same PFF who says he’s a 75% passer when he’s never sniffed that number in any season?

 

[Vol8188]

Is this the same PFF who says he’s a 75% passer when he’s never sniffed that number in any season?

Do you understand the term “adjusted”? Yes it’s the same pff that every nfl team uses and all but two of the over 100 D1 teams in college

 

[Vol8188]

Really hoping Luke Wypler is available here in the fifth for us

 

[KB5252]

If you get QB right all those other needs become much smaller concerns.

Not really, because we have a serviceable QB right now, Tannehill's bad last year because he had a bad, pieced together o line and limited passing weapons combined with a limited running back in a league that demands versatility. And yes, I'm aware Henry is an excellent runner but he's so bad in pass pro if he's in the game the defense automatically knows knows he's running it 90% of the time.

We still have only one or two weapons in the pass game. The line is in rebuild so that will take a couple of years to gel and get the right pieces. All of those concerns are still there. We have a QB now, what we don't have are the weapons around him.

Last year's offense was so predictable I knew what we were running before the ball was snapped. If I know that with my limited football IQ imagine what linebackers calling defense on the field are processing.

 

[JMSqb11]

Do you understand the term “adjusted”? Yes it’s the same pff that every nfl team uses and all but two of the over 100 D1 teams in college

Im sorry but trying to inflate stats vs the actual stat line is why they idiots look stupid when players they overrate drop and players they underrate rise…. Not one time did I say anything about him being an adjusted inaccurate passer. I said he is inaccurate and inefficient with the football. His stat line shows that. Trying to come up with a formula to say a sh!t sandwich really isn’t that sh!tty is dumb. Not saying you are, I’m talking about PFF. At the end of the day, stick to finite stats. He’s career 65% and turnover prone… but hey, glad we get a QB while ignoring the protection and provision positions a QB needs.

 

[KB5252]

Lots of needs certainly. A rookie WR in the second round isn’t any more of a guarantee to improve that position, though.

They likely would’ve mortgaged significantly more next year to move to a top 5 pick to get a QB to replace RT.

I would certainly be interested to see percentage of 2nd round wr's that see significant playing time vs qb's. I may be way off but I imagine the hit rate on wr's is much higher. And I'd argue it would almost certainly improve our wr room.

At least in that scenario you would get your pick of QB..... Not just what became available to you. You wouldn't even really need to draft a QB, there are going to be some guys come available, and with those guys you'd know what did it didn't work for them at this level.

 

[Vol8188]

Im sorry but trying to inflate stats vs the actual stat line is why they idiots look stupid when players they overrate drop and players they underrate rise…. Not one time did I say anything about him being an adjusted inaccurate passer. I said he is inaccurate and inefficient with the football. His stat line shows that. Trying to come up with a formula to say a sh!t sandwich really isn’t that sh!tty is dumb. Not saying you are, I’m talking about PFF. At the end of the day, stick to finite stats. He’s career 65% and turnover prone… but hey, glad we get a QB while ignoring the protection and provision positions a QB needs.

Actually “adjusted” completion % would show accuracy far better than just the raw state line. That’s why these advanced stats exist. So saying “the stat line shows that” is just insanely ignorant.

And for a career 65% is very accurate. Higher than Mahomes had a Texas tech playing against lower talent and in a screen heavy offense

 

[BigOrange15]

I dont like the pick either, I think he is nearly a guaranteed bust in fact and that really sucks but...

This whole "Im turning in my fandom card" stuff is getting way too dramatic for my tastes. It sucks, but it is what it is. They think he can help, we'll see if he can. There is no conspiracy to run out the fanbase, tank the franchise, piss off Vol fans, etc.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

When did 65% become inaccurate? I’ve always viewed <60% as inaccurate. See: Richardson.

 

[Vol8188]

When did 65% become inaccurate? I’ve always viewed <60% as inaccurate. See: Richardson.

His entire thing seems to be “I’m real mad, and idk why!”