The old ball coach????

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Rasputin_Vol said:
He's done about as good as you can expect at that ratnest in Columbia. They went 100 years before they won their first bowl game. He's been able to play Tennessee off their feet all three years he's been there, managed to put together 3 consecutive none-losing seasons, and did all of that with essentially no QB to speak of.

I would still take Spurrier over Fulmer in a NY minute.
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Good post. I was stoked when I thought he was coming to LSU.

Fact is he's not been able to pull the recruits out of Florida that he thought he'd be able to.


LWSVOL said:
the greatest of coaches will always tell you it takes having the best talent to win...
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Thank you...I always ask for an example of a coach who wins Championships without loads of talent.
 
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Shoot, he's made the 'cocks competitive, they've beaten georgia, florida and tennessee in the past 3 years.

And thats without top talent.

Give the man talent like he had while at florida and he would win a couple of SEC titles.

With comparable talent fulmer was 3-7 against the man ('92, '98, '01). With a huge advantage in talent Fulmer is 2-1 against him.
 
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Spurrier is a great coach. He is easily top 5 SEC. I would say he is actually one of the best. I really don't know who is any better. He don't have the talent he had at Florida, but he still competes in the toughest conference in the country. Compare what he is doing at South Carolina to what Lou "Slobbering, Speech Slurring" Holtz did and there is no comparison. Some people actually thought Holtz was a good coach and you see what he did at South Carolina. Yeah, the Ole Ball Coach still has his touch. No doubt about it.
 
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General Jack said:
Shoot, he's made the 'cocks competitive, they've beaten georgia, florida and tennessee in the past 3 years.
And thats without top talent.

Give the man talent like he had while at florida and he would win a couple of SEC titles.

With comparable talent fulmer was 3-7 against the man ('92, '98, '01). With a huge advantage in talent Fulmer is 2-1 against him.
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It's my opinion, that SOS's defense has made them competative recently...not SOS. He has had NOTHING to do with the improvment of the defense...in fact, he now seems to be doing what he can to tame the defense(refer to canceling practice this week because a LB hit one of his receivers too hard!) SOS, with out the ability to use smoke and mirrors on offense because he can't get enough offensive tallent(no one with NFL aspirations wants to go to SC) has become the OLD ball coach, not the Ole Ball Coach of old.... :cool2:
 
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volswin08 said:
It's my opinion, that SOS's defense has made them competative recently...not SOS. He has had NOTHING to do with the improvment of the defense...in fact, he now seems to be doing what he can to tame the defense(refer to canceling practice this week because a LB hit one of his receivers too hard!) SOS, with out the ability to use smoke and mirrors on offense because he can't get enough offensive tallent(no one with NFL aspirations wants to go to SC) has become the OLD ball coach, not the Ole Ball Coach of old.... :cool2:
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Spurrier still has it guys. Hes still building talent and if you were to compare the depth chart now to the one he had 2 years ago you'd be amazed. He still oversees the whole offense and every play must go through him before it is called. He's made just about every game with every team competitive while he's been there (he put up great offensive numbers against Arky and Fla last year, his D-coordinator just didnt have a gameplan). And to the guy who said he can't pull out recruits out of Florida you are mistaken. I dont have an exact number but he's gotten a lot of talent from Florida in his 3 years here. Spurrier enjoys recruiting its just sometimes recruits would rather hear promises and a sugarcoating of the situation whereas Spurrier is honest and tells him straight up (unlike Tommy Bowden). Once he finds the perfect QB and has the offensive line in place he will have a damn good team.
 
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volswin08 said:
It's my opinion, that SOS's defense has made them competative recently...not SOS. He has had NOTHING to do with the improvment of the defense...in fact, he now seems to be doing what he can to tame the defense(refer to canceling practice this week because a LB hit one of his receivers too hard!) SOS, with out the ability to use smoke and mirrors on offense because he can't get enough offensive tallent(no one with NFL aspirations wants to go to SC) has become the OLD ball coach, not the Ole Ball Coach of old.... :cool2:
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that is simply absurd.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I love how people make excuses for him. He no longer has the fire. Proof is he isn't even calling his plays this year. Les Miles get's no credit because he is at LSU and many of you on this thread say that anyone could win there because of the talent. Yet the great one gets all the credit in the world for coaching one of if not the most talent laden states.

Is SOS a very good coach and better than Miles? Of course but both won at schools where the states are LOADED with talent. And dont give me the LSU is the only school crap. There is more than enough talent in FL for all the big schools there and many left over. Check UT roster over the years.
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I'm with you on this one...

I'm not as eager as some on here to sniff his jock and give him a pass on what he has done (or hasn't done is more like it) at USCe...

He's had plenty of time to change the attitude there, he's had plenty of time to get decent players there and his well is not completely dry (i.e. he has had enough talent to work his magic with)

The man has lost his fire....if something extreme doesn't happen I see him leaving very soon
 
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volswin08 said:
It's my opinion, that SOS's defense has made them competative recently...not SOS. He has had NOTHING to do with the improvment of the defense...in fact, he now seems to be doing what he can to tame the defense(refer to canceling practice this week because a LB hit one of his receivers too hard!) SOS, with out the ability to use smoke and mirrors on offense because he can't get enough offensive tallent(no one with NFL aspirations wants to go to SC) has become the OLD ball coach, not the Ole Ball Coach of old.... :cool2:
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While I do agree that the defense has been a key to their competitiveness, I otherwise don't agree with that logic. He is the head coach, thus all success and/or failure of his program lies at his feet. The D is playing well ultimately because of the coordinators and position coaches that he hired, and the players that he and his assistant recruited.
 
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volswin08 said:
It's my opinion, that SOS's defense has made them competative recently...not SOS. He has had NOTHING to do with the improvment of the defense...in fact, he now seems to be doing what he can to tame the defense(refer to canceling practice this week because a LB hit one of his receivers too hard!) SOS, with out the ability to use smoke and mirrors on offense because he can't get enough offensive tallent(no one with NFL aspirations wants to go to SC) has become the OLD ball coach, not the Ole Ball Coach of old.... :cool2:
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He focused on both offense and defense while Nix was here. With Ellis Johnson's arrival he has only had to focus on the offense.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that is simply absurd.
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Why is that absurd? He doesnt recruit d players and doesnt watch their practice. He didnt do that even in Florida. The fact is he is an offensive guy and a very, very good one. He has lost his fire IMO. Once his contract is up he will no longer have to worry and he will be a full member of Augusta and I think you will see him retire. I can't say that I blame him either.
 
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ihateorange4 said:
He focused on both offense and defense while Nix was here. With Ellis Johnson's arrival he has only had to focus on the offense.
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I've seen him interviewed and he said "I don't even worry about those guys (talking about defense) I have people who do that".
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Why is that absurd? He doesnt recruit d players and doesnt watch their practice. He didnt do that even in Florida. The fact is he is an offensive guy and a very, very good one. He has lost his fire IMO. Once his contract is up he will no longer have to worry and he will be a full member of Augusta and I think you will see him retire. I can't say that I blame him either.
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He's the only reason that a great undecided defender would go to SC. He singlehandedly broadens the recruiting base, even on D.

Because he doesn't watch the D practice, do you really think he has no hand in the D? The best defensive coaches on earth are the ones who best understand what opposing offenses are trying to do to them. You really don't think the D coordinator and Spurrier spend an enormous amount of time together? Just doesn't make any sense. I understand the reputation, but much of that is media hooey.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I've seen him interviewed and he said "I don't even worry about those guys (talking about defense) I have people who do that".
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Nothing wrong with delegating to trusted capable subordinates, I'm sure you do that in your business. Ultimately responsibility still lies at his feet, and the fact is, he has beaten CUM with much worse talent than have the Vols.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Why is that absurd? He doesnt recruit d players and doesnt watch their practice. He didnt do that even in Florida. The fact is he is an offensive guy and a very, very good one. He has lost his fire IMO. Once his contract is up he will no longer have to worry and he will be a full member of Augusta and I think you will see him retire. I can't say that I blame him either.
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He's already said he wants to stay 5+ more years.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I've seen him interviewed and he said "I don't even worry about those guys (talking about defense) I have people who do that".
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that's more building the legend than anything else. I guarantee you that he and his D coordinator spend a lot of time trying to figure out opposing offenses and O coordinator mindsets.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He's the only reason that a great undecided defender would go to SC. He singlehandedly broadens the recruiting base, even on D.

Because he doesn't watch the D practice, do you really think he has no hand in the D? The best defensive coaches on earth are the ones who best understand what opposing offenses are trying to do to them. You really don't think the D coordinator and Spurrier spend an enormous amount of time together? Just doesn't make any sense. I understand the reputation, but much of that is media hooey.
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You are just wrong. Sorry man and I don't mean to be a smart ass. But you look at how his defense looked post Bob Stoops. I will buy that there maybe a few defensive players who will go due to him but not very many. It's not a knock on him he is what he is. An offensive guy and a very, very good one.

The fact still remains that now with 4 years he cant even get a good QB to come play for him and he is even giving up the play calling. He has lost his fire IMO and just waiting to retire and give his son a shot at being a Head coach.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Why is that absurd? He doesnt recruit d players and doesnt watch their practice. He didnt do that even in Florida. The fact is he is an offensive guy and a very, very good one. He has lost his fire IMO. Once his contract is up he will no longer have to worry and he will be a full member of Augusta and I think you will see him retire. I can't say that I blame him either.
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Not trying to argue, but I just don't see how you think Spurrier has lost his fire. Have you watched the guy on the sidelines recently? He is one of the hardest working coaches on the sidelines you will ever see. He don't just stand around and clap to keep his team excited. He is up and down the sidelines talking to or chewing out players, drawing up plays and making sure everyone has their head in the game. He has definitely not lost his fire.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's more building the legend than anything else. I guarantee you that he and his D coordinator spend a lot of time trying to figure out opposing offenses and O coordinator mindsets.
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BPV you can think what you want but we are just going to have to disagree on it. I'll leave it at that.
 
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tennisguy said:
Not trying to argue, but I just don't see how you think Spurrier has lost his fire. Have you watched the guy on the sidelines recently? He is one of the hardest working coaches on the sidelines you will ever see. He don't just stand around and clap to keep his team excited. He is up and down the sidelines talking to or chewing out players, drawing up plays and making sure everyone has their head in the game. He has definitely not lost his fire.
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The work for a coach happens long before the game starts. Does Bill B with the Patiots holler and scream and run up and down the sidelines? I guess he is not a good game coach.
 
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ihateorange4 said:
Are you trying to tell me you don't believe what he said?
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When it comes to the topic of a coach staying or not I don't take them at their word. Not just him but all of them. They cannot tell us what they really have on their mind. It's just the way things are.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
You are just wrong. Sorry man and I don't mean to be a smart ass. But you look at how his defense looked post Bob Stoops. I will buy that there maybe a few defensive players who will go due to him but not very many. It's not a knock on him he is what he is. An offensive guy and a very, very good one.

The fact still remains that now with 4 years he cant even get a good QB to come play for him and he is even giving up the play calling. He has lost his fire IMO and just waiting to retire and give his son a shot at being a Head coach.
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I don't care if you're a complete smartass, you know that it makes 0 sense for a D coordinator to avoid picking Spurrier's brain at every turn and it makes no sense that Spurrier wouldn't force him to at every turn, regardless of the media drivel.

I'll give Stoops a lot of the credit for UFs defenses, but he can't take it all. I think even Stoops would tell you that.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
When it comes to the topic of a coach staying or not I don't take them at their word. Not just him but all of them. They cannot tell us what they really have on their mind. It's just the way things are.
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Spurrier is about as honest as they come in case you havent noticed.
 
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