The Play Calling Against Oklahoma Thread

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nagle said:
says the guy on his couch not in the trenches
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God forbid I expect a senior QB to know when to keep it and when to throw it on an option play on the two yard line with a hole in front of him and three defenders on his chosen receiver.
 
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Very disatisfied with the OC... 6-7 non-screen plays behind the line of scrimmage against a penetrating D. No TE passes, which are suppose to be hot reads. Helms, Downs were very capable options. Pretty sure Worley didn't keep the ball 1 time on the read option... I saw a lot of green on several occasions. I think we still would of lost the game but we could have gotten a few more points.... Very proud of these young men! Good fight!
 
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The run and pass plays designed to go parallel to the line of scrimmage or developing behind the line of scrimmage, I thought were asinine. Those don't work against that defense.
 
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Should have ran it late for the td... it's 27-17... Instead you throw and it gets picked for 6... 34-10. Huge swing... HORRIBLE CALL.
 
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tampavolsfan said:
Momma Bajakian?
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Uh no, but if you think the play calling is why UT struggled tonight on offense, you are an idiot. If the O-line can't contain the pass rush you aren't going to get much done, doesn't matter what plays you call. The offense will look considerably better once this O-line has a chance to develop.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
It really wasn't, that was dumb luck that it was a tip ball pick 6.
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Throwing into triple coverage isn't dumb luck, it was a bad call from the OC to start, and in turn and bad pass from Worley. Even if it hadn't been tipped there was a good chance for an interception considering there were three defenders squarely in front of the receiver.
 
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I'm proud of our team. I agree the play calling is suspect. It's a mixture of unimaginative, vanilla, prayer, and naive. I especially hate the, "pretend to run left for a second, then run run right." It's a pretty good picture of the whole.

Anyway, this offense won't win championships. Hopefully Jones' loyalty won't prevent him from making a move in the offseason.
 
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A team blitzes every play and we have a supposedly have an offense who uses tight ends? Why not a slant across the middle? If Jones recruits another tight end I will puke. I guess Woeley can't throw one or they need a new offensive coordinator.
 
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GAVol said:
People that think play calling is the problem tonight have the football IQ of a grape.
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It was absolutely responsible for the pick-6.

I'm more concerned about the offensive style than playcalling. But zero in the backfield in that situation was absolutely shocking. Absolutely grape IQ.
 
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utvols16manning said:
I may or may not get roasted for this, but, I was really not impressed with some of his play calls tonight to say the least. Some really horrendous calls to be honest. Specifically in the red zone. We left AT LEAST 14 points out there.

1.We make it to the red zone and then run a jet sweep (has this ever worked for us?) that gets tackled for a loss and messes up the entire drive. Why we continued to try to beat a faster team to the sideline baffled me.

2. We drove the whole field running the ball behind Hurd and then we run 5 wide from the 4 yard line with an empty backfield?? This results in the 100 yard int return.

These are just a couple that I can think of at the moment reflecting on the game.

Thoughts?
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I understand that they wanted to get a quick slant on that play, but it was way too crowded. Probably should have gone jump ball with Malone or North instead.

I am wondering why we didn't run any Trips right or left, with all the size we have at WR. If I'm Bajakian, I sit down with Peyton a few times and pick his brain as to what sort of plays he likes in given situations, and give them a priority color code on his play sheet.

Use all of his years of film study and ability to pick defenses apart. Nevertheless, his hands are tied if our offensive players are just flat out losing their individual battles....OL and Croom especially.
 
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I have two major issues with the scheme:

1. Anybody with little League coaching experience would know you can't run lateral against speed.

2. In order to execute a zone read offense the QB has to keep it a , minimum of 10% of the time. Otherwise it's actually a detriment because the RB is not hitting the LOS with a full head of steam.
 
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Catbone said:
Worley did not keep the ball once tonight.
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That is not really a part of this offense ...and never will be . The backs read the zone at the hand-off and go to one of 3 gap...but the backs make that read . When the QB pulls the hand off , he does not run in this offense . He pulls up and passes in a layered west coast system . Evene if we get a TRUE running QB ...you will not see much running, maybe none at all . You will see what I just described.

The problem tonight is that the pressure was instant ..poor blocking. Worley could not execute the play fake and read . OU sat on the under layesr because they knew we did not have time for the top layers to develop.

This system will be very effective when we can block it well.
 
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^^ agreed about the speed.

If you have a consistent failure at one position, your play calling is hamstrung (and you become predictable). If you have consistent failure across your entire o-line (outsized, out-experienced), you shrink to a very few choices... calling anything else is playing roulette.

Get that o-line tightened up, and then we'll work on the play calling.
 
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allvol123 said:
The run and pass plays designed to go parallel to the line of scrimmage or developing behind the line of scrimmage, I thought were asinine. Those don't work against that defense.
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They don't work period because if your QB doesn't have a quick release then you're just asking for a loss of yards. At least it worked for Tyler Bray.
 
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I watched a pee wee team run better plays out of the so called spread TN trys to run. I'm not joking.
 
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Slants weren't working because they were disguising the blitz packages. They were getting pressure with the front 3 and while they were getting good edge pressure, they were also dropping those guys into zone coverage right on the slants. We were getting soft coverage on the hooks and that serves the same purpose.
Without a run game we weren't going to compete. They had the potential to beat us a lot worse, our defense played really stand up ball and the offense stayed competitive.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
Uh no, but if you think the play calling is why UT struggled tonight on offense, you are an idiot. If the O-line can't contain the pass rush you aren't going to get much done, doesn't matter what plays you call. The offense will look considerably better once this O-line has a chance to develop.
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Or how about call plays that actually work with your O-line THIS SEASON?

Play calling is not something that takes time to develop.

You see where you are at with your personnel and implement plays to their strengths. They had ALL summer to know where they were at.
 
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Our guys gave great effort and that is very encouraging. Lots of tough breaks, but I hope we never empty the backfield needing 2 yards and 2 plays to get it ever again. These coaches today at all levels try to out think the other guy and end up out thinking themselves. I know our O-line is young, but they will improve and maybe we can get back to the days where we knew what we were running and the defense knew, but they could do nothing about it. I am confident those days will return soon. That said, the play calling on first down and at several key points in the game made no sense whatsoever. Go Vols!
 
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NickZ4UT said:
Uh no, but if you think the play calling is why UT struggled tonight on offense, you are an idiot. If the O-line can't contain the pass rush you aren't going to get much done, doesn't matter what plays you call. The offense will look considerably better once this O-line has a chance to develop.
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You are wrong at every point. Same exact thing everyone said last year. With an extremely experienced line and future NFL starters, the offense was consistently put in bad spots due to the suspect play calling. And on a side note, I don't need to call you an idiot...your posts do it for me.
 
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