The Problems with Trans-ideology

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#5,953
82_VOL_83 said:
I refuse to answer stupidity with anything approaching understanding. The defense of destroying anyone under 18's life is pathetic. You need as much help as they do.
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Glad you agree that you replied to my post to say absolutely nothing lol. Talking just to talk
 
#5,955
#5,955
82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah Woodsman, you keep thinking that. Your posts are about as intelligent as his are.
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That’s 3 posts in a row now with zero substance or response, do people around you not give you enough attention? There are plenty of threads in The Endzone or whatever for you to ramble about absolutely nothing, bye now
 
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#5,956
NashVol11 said:
No, they just hysterically describe every form of support as “trans people coming for your kids to make them trans” or whatever
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Agreed. Support shouldn’t mean “confirmation”. That is “making them trans”.

When confused kids go to therapist, therapist should not be taught to “affirm gender identity”.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. Support shouldn’t mean “confirmation”. That is “making them trans”.

When confused kids go to therapist, therapist should not be taught to “affirm gender identity”.
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Sounds like you’re saying you want the “support” to be people trying to talk them out of it, conversion therapy-style. No way that could go wrong
 
#5,958
#5,958
NashVol11 said:
Sounds like you’re saying you want the “support” to be people trying to talk them out of it, conversion therapy-style. No way that could go wrong
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lol this is 1984 level double speak nonsense.

“Conversion therapy” would be convincing the man he should live as a woman.
 
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Vol8188 said:
lol this is 1984 level double speak nonsense.

“Conversion therapy” would be convincing the man he should live as a woman.
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So I was right, your form of “support” is just telling them “hey you’re not actually trans.” Great, yes, that was definitely an important addition to my point
 
#5,960
#5,960
NashVol11 said:
All indications are that puberty blockers are reversible, though, and many people are trans before they turn 18. There are a lot of conspiracy theories and fearmongering about “pushing agendas” when the desired alternative generally is for a teen with gender dysphoria to just have zero support, resources or literature whatsoever
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Reversible in that they only delay puberty, that is correct. There is also some evidence that delaying puberty may actually contribute to and prolong dysphoria that some experience naturally when beginning puberty. Some of these are then started on hormones, which a significant number (actual studies are difficult to nail down long term statistics), regret later in life.

There are conspiracy theories and fear mongering on both sides of the equation here though. And there are agendas being pushed on both sides, no doubt about that.

Gender dysphoria is actually very common, many if not most female pre teens and teenagers deal with it to some degree based on some studies I've browsed. Hormones and other more invasive gender affirming care for minors should be very limited. There are certainly enough doctors and specialists out there who have raised some valid concerns about proceeding with extreme caution.
 
#5,961
#5,961
Puberty blockers are not 100% reversible..my understanding this that short term they can be

But long term there are permanent effects..many that have detransitioned have spoken to the permanent effects.
 
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#5,962
NashVol11 said:
That’s 3 posts in a row now with zero substance or response, do people around you not give you enough attention? There are plenty of threads in The Endzone or whatever for you to ramble about absolutely nothing, bye now
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There were 4 premises in your original statement. NONE of them were backed up by any kind of fact yet you stated them that way. Are you the only one allowed to throw **** at the wall and see what sticks? I still maintain you are pathetic and I believe that to be fact based on your longtime posting in the PF. Maybe you should just give up this inane support of mental illness being OK and figure out how to help the mentally ill vs. simply condone them being sick?
 
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#5,963
NashVol11 said:
So I was right, your form of “support” is just telling them “hey you’re not actually trans.” Great, yes, that was definitely an important addition to my point
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Support would be getting to the bottom of why they "feel" that way. Not just saying sure...your whatever you believe you are here are drugs that may permanent effect the rest of your life..its funny because a therapist would actually call your "support" enabling an addiction in most cases.
 
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#5,964
NashVol11 said:
So I was right, your form of “support” is just telling them “hey you’re not actually trans.” Great, yes, that was definitely an important addition to my point
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When a 5 year old shows up to your office and believes they’re trans, should you “affirm” that belief?
 
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NashVol11 said:
All indications are that puberty blockers are reversible, though, and many people are trans before they turn 18. There are a lot of conspiracy theories and fearmongering about “pushing agendas” when the desired alternative generally is for a teen with gender dysphoria to just have zero support, resources or literature whatsoever
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I was a lot of things before I turned 18. Not sure I'm any of them now. Most kids want tattoos, weed, smoke, alcohol, etc before 18. Should they get those as well?

"all indications"

the lawsuits coming once these kids hit 30 and leave the cult is going to be epic
 
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utvolpj said:
I was a lot of things before I turned 18. Not sure I'm any of them now

"all indications"

the lawsuits coming once these kids hit 30 and leave the cult is going to be epic
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Just wait for one of them to have a huge award attached to it then the parents get into the fray for kids that suicide.
 
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#5,969
utvolpj said:
I was a lot of things before I turned 18. Not sure I'm any of them now. Most kids want tattoos, weed, smoke, alcohol, etc before 18. Should they get those as well?

"all indications"

the lawsuits coming once these kids hit 30 and leave the cult is going to be epic
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The problem is the doctor will stand behind the claim of “this is what medical boards recommended at the time. I was told they’d kill themselves if I didn’t mutilate them”.

And then there’s no real case as long as the doctor was following the proper medical practices of that time
 
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Vol8188 said:
The problem is the doctor will stand behind the claim of “this is what medical boards recommended at the time. I was told they’d kill themselves if I didn’t mutilate them”.

And then there’s no real case as long as the doctor was following the proper medical practices of that time
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Still could be ruled as malpractice. Just need one judge to open the floodgates. Class action would be huge
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Just wait for one of them to have a huge award attached to it then the parents get into the fray for kids that suicide.
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That'll be crazy, wonder if it would reach to parents to support their child transitioning and the child shoots up a school and kills someones else kid...
 
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just bob said:
Our moment was nice - though brief. I've always been against child sexual mutilation, thanks. It's just really surprising that you are.
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It shouldn't be surprising if you're paying attention. As a father I'm very protective of kids. However I do not agree with govt having the same control over adults and want more freedom for that group. Pretty sure I've been consistent on that in this forum
 
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