The Problems with Trans-ideology

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utvolpj said:
It's news you pay attention to and it's in your feed. Just like ads are tied to searches I'm guessing the abundance of tranny stories you see has a reason...

Most of the world simply doesn't care about some artistic display in France that happened while they were working or sleeping. The ones who do care are too easily manipulated to understand that. Who do you care they mocked an old painting?
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That’s a bad take. The Last Supper is not just an old painting. It is the basis for the communion ritual that is one of the most sacred rituals in Christiananity.
 
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LadyVolette said:
I am a nurse.. and have never seen such a thing.. there are extremely rare anomalies.. but I did some OB mother- baby early on..I did see babies born with their intestines outside of their bodies some though.. and that is probably more likely to happen then what you are describing.. also saw a baby with their organs flipped (what belongs on the right was on the left)… There are also girls born XXX which is a chromosomal mutation
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Oh, I am certain it's rare. My point is this intersex topic is quite complex. We have a tendency to see things binary, while there often exists an in-between.

That's really horrible, btw. I don't know how folks like you in the medical field handle what you see. I don't think I could do it.
 
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gcbvol said:
Something else to add (of which I was not previously aware) is some intersex folks with female anatomy (uterus) and a Y chromosome can conceive, bear, and deliver children. Would these folks be considered men?
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Only if you change the meaning of the word conceive. They have no ovaries. They have no eggs.

When you say “conceive” what you’re talking was a case where they placed a woman’s egg inside of this man. I’m not certain if they used his sperm or not.

But the fact that I have to say “his sperm” implies…he’s a man
 
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gcbvol said:
Oh, I am certain it's rare. My point is this intersex topic is quite complex. We have a tendency to see things binary, while there often exists an in-between.

That's really horrible, btw. I don't know how folks like you in the medical field handle what you see. I don't think I could do it.
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It’s not complex. The confusing gender ideology language used in misleading headlines “man gives birth” can make it seem complex. But when you look at the reality, it’s simple.
 
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NashVol11 said:
If you are arguing with a straight face that someone born with a vagina is a biological male then you can go ahead and buzz off to your weird corner of the Internet and the 4 people who agree with you, rather than wasting my time. TIA
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What about a dude with his meat chopped off or tucked somewhere? Is that a male or a female?
 
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utvolpj said:
It's news you pay attention to and it's in your feed. Just like ads are tied to searches I'm guessing the abundance of tranny stories you see has a reason...

Most of the world simply doesn't care about some artistic display in France that happened while they were working or sleeping. The ones who do care are too easily manipulated to understand that. Who do you care they mocked an old painting?
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‘An old painting’.. wow. If someone was mocking Allah and Muslims. Oh, that’s right they get killed.. Remember Charlie Hebdo? As Christians, we do have the right to be like ‘hey, that’s not cool’ or be offended, or not continue to watch the Olympics if we feel so compelled lol.. We can not like it if we don’t want to like it..sheesh 😂
 
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DD4ME said:
Serious question. Isn't the dude in question also somebody born with female parts? Like I get they have a boost of test, but Isn't this condition dissimilar from people who aren't born with female parts? I am just trying to understand cause this seems wild.
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If both boxers have female parts, one just has higher Test levels, how is that functionally different from someone like Michael Phelps who has a disproportionately long torso and arms or produces less lactic acid than most athletes?

I certainly don't support just having dudes out there just beating the **** out of women in WOMEN'S boxing but if it's just a physical and body chemical advantage, I'm not sure how that is different than any other athletic competition.
 
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C-south said:
Not sure what you’re saying or trying to prove. The fact you go to such extremes to defend this lunacy can only make people wonder what your motivation is. If you’ve ever had balls you’re a dude. If you have XY chromosomes you’re a dude. If you have extremely high testosterone levels you’re likely a dude or a chic that’s juicing. If you were born with some sort of birth defect then that’s another story. Maybe they should open up a special Olympics category for such.
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This
 
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gcbvol said:
Something else to add (of which I was not previously aware) is some intersex folks with female anatomy (uterus) and a Y chromosome can conceive, bear, and deliver children. Would these folks be considered men?
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LadyVolette said:
I am a nurse.. and have never seen such a thing.. there are extremely rare anomalies.. but I did some OB mother- baby early on..I did see babies born with their intestines outside of their bodies some though.. and that is probably more likely to happen then what you are describing.. also saw a baby with their organs flipped (what belongs on the right was on the left)… There are also girls born XXX which is a chromosomal mutation
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"I've never seen that" and "that's not very likely" don't really answer the question though, you don't have to have personally seen them for them to exist
 
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C-south said:
You sure are dead set on this person having a vagina when you don’t have a ******* clue.
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It's true. She was born a woman and is a woman now. You seem pretty set on giving her a d*** so I'm not sure this is a good angle for you
 
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BigOrange15 said:
If both boxers have female parts, one just has higher Test levels, how is that functionally different from someone like Michael Phelps who has a disproportionately long torso and arms or produces less lactic acid than most athletes?

I certainly don't support just having dudes out there just beating the **** out of women in WOMEN'S boxing but if it's just a physical and body chemical advantage, I'm not sure how that is different than any other athletic competition.
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Here's what I've found, so far, on how this came about:

Khelif’s victory [over Carini] was met with controversy. At last year’s women’s boxing world championships in New Delhi, India, the International Boxing Association (IBA) disqualified Khelif and Taiwan’s Lin Yu Ting—a three-time medalist—because they failed to meet eligibility rules that prevent athletes with XY chromosomes from competing in women’s events.

In a statement released on July 31, the IBA said the March 23, 2023, decision was made after “meticulous review” and was intended to “uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition.”
“This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors,” the IBA stated.

According to the sports organization, the disqualification was based on two tests conducted on both athletes during the world championships in Istanbul in 2022 and New Delhi in 2023.

The IBA added that “the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential.”

However, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) ruled that the two boxers would be eligible to compete in Paris after the Olympic body stripped the IBA of international recognition in June 2023 over issues related to governance, finance, and ethics.

The IOC’s “Framework on Fairness, Inclusion and Non-Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity and Sex Variations” sets out guidelines for federations on ensuring inclusion and fairness in sport, including for athletes with differences/disorders of sexual development (DSDs).

DSDs are a group of rare conditions involving genes, hormones, and reproductive organs. Some people with DSDs are raised as female but have XY sex chromosomes and blood testosterone levels in the male range.

The IBA said in its statement that it isn’t involved in the IOC’s “differing regulations,” adding that the Olympic body’s decision raises “serious questions about both competitive fairness and athletes’ safety.”

“What I would say is that this involves real people, and we are talking about real people’s lives here,” IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said in the organization’s defense of allowing the two boxers to compete. Adams added that the two have competed over the years and have both lost and won in women’s boxing.

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni criticized the IOC’s recent decision, saying Carini’s boxing bout against Khelif “was not an even contest” from her point of view.

“I think that athletes who have male genetic characteristics should not be admitted to women’s competitions,” Ms. Meloni said. “And not because you want to discriminate against someone, but to protect the right of female athletes to be able to compete on equal terms.”
 
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NashVol11 said:
It's true. She was born a woman and is a woman now. You seem pretty set on giving her a d*** so I'm not sure this is a good angle for you
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If it has all the characteristics of a dude along with the lab work to back it up it’s a dude. Your argument is claiming it has a certain genitalia that you have no way of proving. You’re pulling this info from the same place luther pulls numbers…out of your ass.
 
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C-south said:
If it has all the characteristics of a dude along with the lab work to back it up it’s a dude. Your argument is claiming it has a certain genitalia that you have no way of proving. You’re pulling this info from the same place luther pulls numbers…out of your ass.
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She doesn't. She actually has all of the characteristics of a woman other than 1 quote from 1 person about XY (at an event where she competed previously) but people really want to be outraged. She's also not trans at all, this is in this thread for no reason
 
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DD4ME said:
Serious question. Isn't the dude in question also somebody born with female parts? Like I get they have a boost of test, but Isn't this condition dissimilar from people who aren't born with female parts? I am just trying to understand cause this seems wild.
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Yeah I thought if you are born with a vagina you are biologically female, but maybe that doesn’t fit the narrative of the snowflakes
 
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Look, at the end of the day I think it’s possible to respect trans women but also acknowledge they probably should have their own division in sports due to simple biology. However, the boxer at the Olympics is not a trans woman. She is a woman born with a rare condition. It’s easier when people in the spotlight share incorrect information to run with it and suddenly the pitchforks are out. Sure you could argue her condition makes it unfair, but it’s also kinda messed up to ban her because of said condition. At the end of the day, there’s proof she was born a biological woman, it is what it is. Not all men are created equally genetically, neither are women. People are also ignoring the fact she competed in the last Olympics with pretty sub par results. So why now is she excelling? Sure maybe the condition she has gives her a natural advantage but I suspect she had to train to improve still at the end of the day.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Debunked.
www.badlefthook.com

There are no transgender women boxing in Paris

Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting are the victims of malicious misinformation.
www.badlefthook.com www.badlefthook.com
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Not really this person has xy in their 23rd chromosome
They are in the extremely rare category most likely that has xxy
Unfortunate for the person but he/she has a significant biological advantage over an xx woman
 
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UTK said:
Look, at the end of the day I think it’s possible to respect trans women but also acknowledge they probably should have their own division in sports due to simple biology. However, the boxer at the Olympics is not a trans woman. She is a woman born with a rare condition. It’s easier when people in the spotlight share incorrect information to run with it and suddenly the pitchforks are out. Sure you could argue her condition makes it unfair, but it’s also kinda messed up to ban her because of said condition. At the end of the day, there’s proof she was born a biological woman, it is what it is. Not all men are created equally genetically, neither are women. People are also ignoring the fact she competed in the last Olympics with pretty sub par results. So why now is she excelling? Sure maybe the condition she has gives her a natural advantage but I suspect she had to train to improve still at the end of the day.
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If you have XY chromosomes…you’re male.
Why do you guys keep denying that?

She’s excelling because she’s a man. That’s why despite being insanely rare in the general public, this condition appears to be over represented among athletes competing as women
 
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