The Reason UT Can No Longer Sign Elite WRs

#52
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SECProudUT said:
Someone should go back and take a look at Peterman's performance against UF. I am glad he matured and did a better job facing lesser competition. You shouldn't put that off on CBJ. Worley had the stats you are looking for, he just couldn't avoid getting sacked.
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With that logic there is no meeting in the middle.
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While that is a good point, it's not my fault that most of Peterman's sample size while at UT came against one of the best defenses in the country coming off the bench during an away game at UF. That is about the only opportunity CBJ gave him. I doubt our opinion meets in the middle on this either but if you're going to attempt to reason than let's be fair to Peterman. His window of opportunity while at UT was not very open and he was given his first real opportunity in about as hostile an environment as possible. He performed poorly and was never given another chance. C'est la vie, I suppose.

Whether that blame goes to Peterman, CBJ, or fate is of little consequence to the reality of things, which is that he looked like hot garbage while playing limited snaps at UT and now looks more than serviceable on a team that was much better than expected last year. I wouldn't be surprised if both he and Pitt are even better this year. All indications are that he's a great kid, so here's to hoping.
 
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junder13 said:
Recheck the first sentence in my post:
Here is a breakdown of the leading two WRs from all 13 games from last season. These stats are strictly showing the WR position, not TEs or RBs.
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But you also give the total WR stats (including TD's) for each game, and say Malone had a TD against UGA, and at the end say that "not in one game did UT have multiple WRs with receiving TDs." That would be incorrect if both Malone and Smith caught TD's against UGA, and Smith definitely had one, but I think you've credited Malone for a TD catch he didn't have as I don't think he caught a TD against UGA.
 
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CourtJester said:
But you also give the total WR stats (including TD's) for each game, and say Malone had a TD against UGA, and at the end say that "not in one game did UT have multiple WRs with receiving TDs." That would be incorrect if both Malone and Smith caught TD's against UGA, and Smith definitely had one, but I think you've credited Malone for a TD catch he didn't have as I don't think he caught a TD against UGA.
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I think Dobbs hit Malone in the corner of the end zone on a rollout pass for a TD vs UGA.
 
#55
#55
Malone didn't have a TD catch against GA.He was wrong on that or ESPN is.
 
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SECProudUT said:
I assume OP is employee of the Tennessean?????
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I chuckled. I'll tell you what....I'll stop posting fact-derived opinions with a perceived negative slant if one of either three outcomes occur:

1) CBJ does not provide the bountiful ammunition to contend his coaching style, philosophy, and results
2) CBJ coaches all four quarters to win and buries the not-to-lose approach and conservative philosophy
3) People on VN quit posting untruths about the coaching staff, philosophy, and game results.

But as long as every negative view -- no matter how objective or warranted -- is slammed by a group of Butch Jones ballsniffing propagandists and sunshine crusaders on this site, I will continue to provide evidence that supports concern, dissatisfaction, or discontent with the current coaching staff.

And Butchna and your response above that offer no facts or solid reasoning as counter are the only types of retorts you mindless shills will be able to offer. :hi:
 
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The number 1 pass play of the year, that sticks out the most for me was the one where the ball was snapped, hit the ground. Dobbs picks it up, tip toes down the side lines and dives in for the score. I am "almost" sure that wasn't by design.
 
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SECProudUT said:
The number 1 pass play of the year, that sticks out the most for me was the one where the ball was snapped, hit the ground. Dobbs picks it up, tip toes down the side lines and dives in for the score. I am "almost" sure that wasn't by design.
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Snap ball on ground, fly. On 2.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
He was referring to the stat itself, as if we should've been tossing the ball around (Specifically to the WR's, not even including TE's and RB's) the whole game. If you want to get into Butch's decisions to not go for 2 after Hurd's final touchdown or whether or not we should have called different plays in the later moments of the game is a different argument.
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I would contend that having 2 receptions for a total of 7 yards from your WRs in an entire game is unacceptable no matter the outcome of a game. Unless a team decides a WR is no longer needed on the field, that kind of production (or lack of) will have consequences: recruiting, psyche for your current wideouts the rest of the season, negative impact on running game, etc.

The outcome of a game does not change the fact that 2 receptions for 7 yards is detrimental to a team's offensive output capability, at a minimum, and detrimental to forward-looking results for your WR corp at a maximum. Thus, why I view it as "unacceptable".
 
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Josh Malone has 54 catches for 636 yds in two years at UT. He's a 5*. Coaches like Dabo compare that to the gaudy stats of their WRs, and elite recruits take note.

Malone and Williams need to have huge years. Because right now, we're not WRU and haven't been for a while. Getting in that WRU battle last year with Clemson was stupid. They're rubbing our nose in it.
 
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Im sure Malone and Williams are just as frustrated as Higgins would have been in the current offense and game plan. Hopefully the passing game evolves in the near future. If it doesn't and we can't land 2-3 5* RBs every couple years, ut oh.
 
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CourtJester said:
But you also give the total WR stats (including TD's) for each game, and say Malone had a TD against UGA, and at the end say that "not in one game did UT have multiple WRs with receiving TDs." That would be incorrect if both Malone and Smith caught TD's against UGA, and Smith definitely had one, but I think you've credited Malone for a TD catch he didn't have as I don't think he caught a TD against UGA.
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You are 100% right on this. I see my mistake now. Malone did not have a TD catch and Josh Smith did. It was only the most important play of the season, ha. Totally messed that one up. The OP will be corrected. Thanks!
 
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junder13 said:
I knew the paid shill of the UT football program would swoop in to save a thread teetering on objective and subjective negativity. What took you so long, butchna? You must've been on a lunch break. :)

With Tee punking the coaching staff you will need to work overtime to remove the negative sentiment on VN. Get to work, furry buddy. :clapping:
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Yeah lunch breaks...haven of the gainfully employed. :lol: When you get desperate trying to pretend you're conveying some deep "facts", you tend to get silly and paranoid...searching for a hypothetical delusion here ... Oh yeah..."paid shill". :lol: I don't need to work overtime ... Just quote your desperate failures. :lol: You don't have any special insight on whether we 're headed to failure just because you're early in line to scream it from the rafters. :scare: We'll all be right or wrong about the same time...when it happens. :lol: Til then, try not to show how much you spazz out when someone intimidates you...bleeds through your prose. :)
 
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junder13 said:
You are 100% right on this. I see my mistake now. Malone did not have a TD catch and Josh Smith did. It was only the most important play of the season, ha. Totally messed that one up. The OP will be corrected. Thanks!
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Note to OP...sarcasm works better with a sense of humor. :lol:
 
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butchna said:
Note to OP...sarcasm works better with a sense of humor. :lol:
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Considering how often you try to be funny and are not, I don't view you as any great judge of humor. :stop:

I do find it funny that your response to me always read like a book review. You never contend with my arguments, only my "prose". I'm not currently in the publishing business but thanks for the help. :wink2:

And you are either intentionally or unintentionally a shill of the UT football program. An overwhelming majority of your posts are uninformative responses of sarcasm or deflection to any perceived negative post on VN. Your track record is all the evidence needed. :zeitung_lesen:
 
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junder13 said:
Considering how often you try to be funny and are not, I don't view you as any great judge of humor. :stop:

I do find it funny that your response to me always read like a book review. You never contend with my arguments, only my "prose". I'm not currently in the publishing business but thanks for the help. :wink2:

And you are either intentionally or unintentionally a shill of the UT football program. An overwhelming majority of your posts are uninformative responses of sarcasm or deflection to any perceived negative post on VN. Your track record is all the evidence needed. :zeitung_lesen:
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I love it when self-important harbingers of doom throw out their paranoid delusions as fact and then go waaay off the deep end surmising that anybody laughing at the inherent goofiness is a paid agent. :lol:

Josh Malone and Preston Williams were "elite recruits" so your thread's premise collapsed into itself before you hit submit. You Napoleon complex stuffed shirts are a treasure to me...endless source of entertainment. :lol:

As previously stated, there are enough learned fans with plenty of experience witnessing incompetence and failure. We know what it looks like. Your little sniveling whining act isn't going to hasten our judgement. We'll all be right or wrong at the same time...deal with it. :yu:
 
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junder13 said:
Agree 100%. The conservative mode was even worse in the OU game. We had 8 yards of total offense in the third quarter, despite three consective three-and-outs by OU's offense and a fourth possession where a pick was thrown on the fourth play. We started in good field position every possession in the third quarter, including a start from the 29 yard line, and still did not score a single point. I'll post in the football forum once I get all my analysis finished how CBJ coached with a lead in 2015. I bet it is more damning than fans would anticipate. I know it is from the OU game (I started my project with that game).

I also think hiring Shoop could be big for CBJ. I actually think it might become his saving grace until Shoop gets a head coaching gig somewhere. As a UT fan, I hope CBJ changes. I just don't see any evidence that he is capable of adapting. He doesn't even adapt his game plan during games. That's why his first half and second half outcomes are so different.

Consider the scoring of our six closest games last year (4 losses against OU, UF, Ark, Bama) and two conservatively played wins (USCe, Mizzu):
First Half: 91 UT - 37 opponent
+246%
Second half – 33 UT - 83 opponent
-252%

Make no mistake UT fans, a coach who cannot adapt will inevitably fail given a long enough time line. Adapting in sports is and always will be required for continued success, especially in a game as complex as football.
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Please take some breaths and try to calm the **** down. We win it will all take care of itself. We lose and problems pop up.
 
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OrangeMound said:
Might want to recheck your stats. Josh Smith had a 39 yard TD pass against Georgia.
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Might want to recheck his original intention/definition of what the stats were to show...he said the "top two WRs".....Smith had 2 catches for 40 yards vs Georgia, meaning he wasn't among the top two WRs that game.
 
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I know we didn't have much production throwing the ball but who was the dominant receiver on the team? I mean, who was the guy that really put the team on his back catching the ball?

If you're going to talk stats, you have to look at the whole picture....
 
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