The Red Line: Part Deux

[Velo Vol]

Even as a global commodity - more sources (and more stable sources) of supply put downward pressure on prices.

Globally, but most of us buy U.S. domestic.

You could see this earlier in the year when there was an unusually large spread between WTI and Brent, in part because oil was being bottle necked in the Midwest.

Now, not so much.

 

[hog88]

Globally, but most of us buy U.S. domestic.

You could see this earlier in the year when there was an unusually large spread between WTI and Brent, in part because oil was being bottle necked in the Midwest.

Now, not so much.

Most of the east coast uses Brent.

 

[Velo Vol]

Irony.

Syria's Assad Interviewed By Fox; Would Tell Obama "Listen To Your People" | Zero Hedge

I have not spoken to Obama. I would say to him: "listen to your people, follow the common sense of your people"

 

[volinbham]

Who didn't see this coming - funny how O-supporters are already claiming diplomacy worked...

Assad Claims Syria Will Need A Year To Destroy Chemical Weapons | TIME.com

In an interview aired on Wednesday, Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad said that he was fully committed to destroying his government’s reserve of chemical weapons, but warned that it would take at least a year and a billion dollars to do so.

Read more: Assad Claims Syria Will Need A Year To Destroy Chemical Weapons | TIME.com
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classic - raise environmental concerns to the Greenies on your side and suggest the US pay for it all

When asked whether he would be willing to hand over chemical weapons to the U.S. government, Assad said, “It needs a lot of money. It needs about one billion. It is very detrimental to the environment. If the American administration is ready to pay this money and take the responsibility of bringing toxic materials to the United States, why don’t they do it?”

Read more: Assad Claims Syria Will Need A Year To Destroy Chemical Weapons | TIME.com
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[MG1968]

Who didn't see this coming - funny how O-supporters are already claiming diplomacy worked...

Assad Claims Syria Will Need A Year To Destroy Chemical Weapons | TIME.com



classic - raise environmental concerns to the Greenies on your side and suggest the US pay for it all

somewhere in Florida, an attorney is fapping over a picture of Assad, Obama and Putin

 

[utvolpj]

Syria may miss first deadline in U.S.-Russia chemical arms deal - latimes.com

WASHINGTON — The ambitious U.S.-Russian deal to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons, hailed as a diplomatic breakthrough just days ago, hit its first delay Wednesday with indications that the Syrian government will not submit an inventory of its toxic stockpiles and facilities to international inspectors by this weekend's deadline.
The State Department signaled that it would not insist that Syrian President Bashar Assad produce the list Saturday, the end of a seven-day period spelled out in the framework deal that Washington and Moscow announced last weekend in Geneva.
Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline."

lol:

 

[Velo Vol]

Saudi Arabia’s Proxy Wars

But on Monday, the Saudi Council of Ministers issued a strong statement making clear that it considered preventing another chemical attack by Assad to be only a short-term goal. In the long-term, he must be ousted.

Saudi Arabia will intensify its efforts to arm the rebels and to use its media outlets and diplomatic clout to rally support for a military strike.

 

[Velo Vol]

Syrian Rebels Are Killing Each Other for Control | VICE United States

 

[82_VOL_83]

Amazing how this has died down to a background roar now.....I am getting in the habit of looking "in another direction" when Barry gets invested in something like this. There has to be something that he is using the current crisis to draw attention from.

 

[volinbham]

Syria may miss first deadline in U.S.-Russia chemical arms deal - latimes.com



lol:

gee - never saw this coming [/sarcasm]

 

[volinbham]

Syrian Rebels Are Killing Each Other for Control | VICE United States

Amateur prediction: Rebels continue to fragment. Assad gains upper hand. Assad slow walks CW situation even more. Assad eventually stops complying with CW inspections. Assad remains in power with CW and some UN sanctions. No will to "punish him" for using the with an "unbelievably small but not a pinprick" strike. Obama claims victory in ending Syrian civil war arguing it's not about style points.

 

[myrobbins7]

Amateur prediction: Rebels continue to fragment. Assad gains upper hand. Assad slow walks CW situation even more. Assad eventually stops complying with CW inspections. Assad remains in power with CW and some UN sanctions. No will to "punish him" for using the with an "unbelievably small but not a pinprick" strike. Obama claims victory in ending Syrian civil war arguing it's not about style points.

My prediction: Obama finds a way into Syria to get one step closer to Iran and bombs the hell out of Iran and then Al-CIADA takes over Syria and Iran and Obama wins another Nobel Peace Prize. All while claiming its for our "national security".

 

[Gramps]

My prediction: Obama finds a way into Syria to get one step closer to Iran and bombs the hell out of Iran and then Al-CIADA takes over Syria and Iran and Obama wins another Nobel Peace Prize. All while claiming its for our "national security".

I saw this morning that Obama may be meeting with the newly elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani .

 

[volinbham]

My prediction: Obama finds a way into Syria to get one step closer to Iran and bombs the hell out of Iran and then Al-CIADA takes over Syria and Iran and Obama wins another Nobel Peace Prize. All while claiming its for our "national security".

I guess I just wasn't thinking big enough

 

[volinbham]

I saw this morning that Obama may be meeting with the newly elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani .

Given his campaign rhetoric about meeting with I'madinnerjacket with no preconditions I don't see how he can justify not meeting with Rouhani.

I have the distinct feeling that Iran is simply working an angle here and has no intentions of changing directions on nukes. The Syria handling makes it open season on "negotiation".

 

[myrobbins7]

I guess I just wasn't thinking big enough

 

[Velo Vol]

Amateur prediction: Rebels continue to fragment. Assad gains upper hand. Assad slow walks CW situation even more. Assad eventually stops complying with CW inspections. Assad remains in power with CW and some UN sanctions.

Assad's fate/conduct depend to a large degree on outside variables (Russia, Iran) neither of which are entirely foreseeable at this point.

 

[Gramps]

Given his campaign rhetoric about meeting with I'madinnerjacket with no preconditions I don't see how he can justify not meeting with Rouhani.

I have the distinct feeling that Iran is simply working an angle here and has no intentions of changing directions on nukes. The Syria handling makes it open season on "negotiation".

Putin has shown the world how easy it is to manipulate Obama. Other leaders may be wanting to join in on the fun.

 

[Velo Vol]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/w...tml?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp&smid=tw-nytimesworld

As diplomats at the United Nations push for a peace conference to end Syria’s civil war, a collection of some of the country’s most powerful rebel groups have publicly abandoned the opposition’s political leaders, casting their lot with an affiliate of Al Qaeda.

As support for the Western-backed leadership has dwindled, a second, more extreme Al Qaeda group has carved out footholds across parts of Syria, frequently clashing with mainline rebels who accuse it of making the establishment of an Islamic state a priority over the fight to topple President Bashar al-Assad.

The fractured nature of the opposition, the rising radical Islamist character of some rebel fighters, and the increasing complexity of Syria’s battle lines have left the exile leadership with diminished clout inside the country and have raised the question of whether it could hold up its end of any agreement reached to end the war.

I've wondered if this bent toward religious extremism was inevitable? Or, if as some argue, the rebel movement could have been kept more secular if the West had been more actively engaged?

 

[PKT_VOL]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/w...tml?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp&smid=tw-nytimesworld



I've wondered if this bent toward religious extremism was inevitable? Or, if as some argue, the rebel movement could have been kept more secular if the West had been more actively engaged?

I wonder if we will consider switching sides if it looks like Al-Qaeda is going to win.

 

[RollinVol]

I wonder if we will consider switching sides if it looks like Al-Qaeda is going to win.

Depends on the red line

 

[Velo Vol]

I wonder if we will consider switching sides if it looks like Al-Qaeda is going to win.

I don't see that happening. If the conflict tips and it looks like the government might fall, we'll probably see a boatload of international support being dumped to shore up the "moderate" forces.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Havent seen the news lately..has that bombing campaign started that the President talked about?...You know..the one where the fleet moved into position? Good thing we have an intellectual smarty smart pants in the white house! I'd had to see us waste money AND look like retards at the same time.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Depends on the red line

Lulz.

I don't see that happening. If the conflict tips and it looks like the government might fall, we'll probably see a boatload of international support being dumped to shore up the "moderate" forces.

Who knows. What an 'effing disaster if Al-Qaeda wins out.

You would have Iran, Hezbollah, etc change to the US side. Saudi Arabia would flip on the US. Russia would come to our side. I would imagine the Israel would attack immediately. Then, who knows.

 

[Velo Vol]

The U.N. is making as much progress as could reasonably be expected over the last two weeks. This resolution doesn't have very sharp teeth--seems that's a bridge we'll cross if we get there.

UN unanimously adopts Syria arms resolution - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be much effort to punish Assad for gassing children and such. I guess bygones are bygones.