The Russia Hoax: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump

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lawgator1 said:
DeSantis running for office is all you need to know.

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Barring the libertarian candidate, I'd take DeSantis over a second Biden term. Biden has his problems and picks DUMB fights but Biden just ain't it.
 
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joevol33 said:
I remember when trump told Putin he'd have more flexibility after the election to work with him. Wait, that wasn't trump. I remember, it was him selling uranium to Russia, wait that wasn't trump either. Sure is a lot of collusion that didn't involve trump, and you all completely ignore it. Russia had nothing to do with more people voting for trump over Hillary. That's what I'm saying.
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No, that's a deflection. You asked for non partisan evidence for Russian interference and it was provided. You made the choice to reject it without a rational reason and now you're moving the goal posts.

Russian interference isn't debatable, collusion is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So did the last bastardization of what he said in court filings to the point he had to jump in and tell the right wing media they were misrepresenting his statements.

Therein lies the problem. No credibility.
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So you are saying that the special prosecutor is not as good as you when it comes to legal prowess? Thanks for the chuckle.
 
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VolStrom said:
So you are saying that the special prosecutor is not as good as you when it comes to legal prowess? Thanks for the chuckle.
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No, I'm saying the right wing media has no credibility because they take partial statements by the prosecutor, out of context, and exaggerate/manipulate/overstate them. I honestly think that the problem is the voracious appetite of the consumers of these right wing bloggers such that there is a tremendous financial incentive to the bloggers to be "first." To have their manipulation of what is said appear in links to Fox, Breitbart, Zerohedge, Daily Mail, whatever.

In their race to get some clicks and make some money, they sacrifice taking a few moments to reach out to the person quoted to make sure that they are getting it right.

And then we see the inevitable walk back by the source, to correct the misrepresentation by the right wing blog sources that just feed off one another for clicks.

Here is an excellent, detailed, explanation of how this happened with Durham last time. You won't read it, but if you did you'd see what I am talking about. The number one failure of right wing media, and particularly bloggers, is that their greed to generate web traffic is greater than their sense of the need to be accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...tive-survives-emergence-inconvenient-details/

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lawgator1 said:
No, I'm saying the right wing media has no credibility because they take partial statements by the prosecutor, out of context, and exaggerate/manipulate/overstate them. I honestly think that the problem is the voracious appetite of the consumers of these right wing bloggers such that there is a tremendous financial incentive to the bloggers to be "first." To have their manipulation of what is said appear in links to Fox, Breitbart, Zerohedge, Daily Mail, whatever.

In their race to get some clicks and make some money, they sacrifice taking a few moments to reach out to the person quoted to make sure that they are getting it right.

And then we see the inevitable walk back by the source, to correct the misrepresentation by the right wing blog sources that just feed off one another for clicks.

Here is an excellent, detailed, explanation of how this happened with Durham last time. You won't read it, but if you did you'd see what I am talking about. The number one failure of right wing media, and particularly bloggers, is that their greed to generate web traffic is greater than their sense of the need to be accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...tive-survives-emergence-inconvenient-details/

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You're right, I won't read some stupid article by the Washington Post, the same left wing paper that published an editorial that claimed no media company should be controlled by a Billionaire, while being owned by a Billionaire themselves.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Now you see why the right was / is fed up with the non stop Trump Trump Trump 24/7 . The left made Trump into of all things a folk hero . They the left and it’s media propaganda machine ) turned a billionaire into the people president and never knew they were doing it because of their non stop obsession with him .. orange man bad . Amiright?
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I wouldn’t hire trump to run a mall kiosk, so I see no problem in calling it like it is with that fool.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Putin has not shown himself to be much of a mastermind when it comes to this situation, i.e. dramatically overestimating his own forces and underestimating Ukraine's. The way this has unfolded certainly has the appearance that he expected this to be much, much easier than it has been. So from that perspective he may simply have believed he did not need to make his move three years ago when Trump was in office.

One wonders if he regrets not having taken action under Trump. Regardless of how much stock you put in the theory that there was some linkage there, you have to admit that Trump was outclassed by Putin by a million miles in terms of international diplomacy. Putin at worst had him completely snowed over with his charm.
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I give you a like for such an outlandish post lol
 
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lawgator1 said:
Putin has not shown himself to be much of a mastermind when it comes to this situation, i.e. dramatically overestimating his own forces and underestimating Ukraine's. The way this has unfolded certainly has the appearance that he expected this to be much, much easier than it has been. So from that perspective he may simply have believed he did not need to make his move three years ago when Trump was in office.

One wonders if he regrets not having taken action under Trump. Regardless of how much stock you put in the theory that there was some linkage there, you have to admit that Trump was outclassed by Putin by a million miles in terms of international diplomacy. Putin at worst had him completely snowed over with his charm.
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I give you a like for such an outlandish post lol
 
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OHvol40 said:
I wouldn’t hire trump to run a mall kiosk, so I see no problem in calling it like it is with that fool.
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That’s not what you were talking about at all nor what I posted about . You have to really have a NEED to find something wrong with every single thing a person says or does 24/7 like the lefts msm and it’s propaganda machine was cranking out with Trump .
 
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Septic said:
It takes time to build up such a formidable fighting force.
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I still think the Russians went in with kid gloves. They do have the ability to level any number of Ukrainian cities if they wanted. One thing that could be admired (or hated) about the Russians/Soviets is their application of artillery and rocket fire when needed.
 
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0nelilreb said:
That’s not what you were talking about at all nor what I posted about . You have to really have a NEED to find something wrong with every single thing a person says or does 24/7 like the lefts msm and it’s propaganda machine was cranking out with Trump .
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You invoked Trump as if he was a blameless victim, he’s not. If you supported him, I’m sure you got tired of hearing the negative. I got tired of hearing about him too… but it’s also true that he was at least tweeting something polarizing on an hourly basis to keep himself in that role.

What we were talking about initially is just boogie men that constantly pop up from right wing sources.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You invoked Trump as if he was a blameless victim, he’s not. If you supported him, I’m sure you got tired of hearing the negative. I got tired of hearing about him too… but it’s also true that he was at least tweeting something polarizing on an hourly basis to keep himself in that role.

What we were talking about initially is just boogie men that constantly pop up from right wing sources.
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Nope , I just pointed out the hypocrisy ( I like doing that ) . The ones that screeched , pi$$ed and moaned about a single human being 24/7 are the very ones that are now complaining about not having more credibility because of the constant, non stop noise . That noise didn’t come from the right wing , it was nonstop from the lefts MSM machine Trump didn’t do himself any favors on Twitter but the MSM gobble that bait up like it was candy and made themselves a laughing stock .
 
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Septic said:
No, that's a deflection. You asked for non partisan evidence for Russian interference and it was provided. You made the choice to reject it without a rational reason and now you're moving the goal posts.

Russian interference isn't debatable, collusion is.
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I'll simplify it, and being sincere. Explain to me what Russia did, that convinced more people to vote for trump because of their "interfering"
 
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Was anyone in this thread persuaded to vote for Trump due to Russian disinformation, misinformation, or other interference? If so, what was the nature of the disinformation, misinformation, or other interference? If you know, how many of your friends and family fell victim to the same dastardly deed?
 
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OHvol40 said:
In the context he’s referring to, sure, right wing media plays a huge roll.
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Lol. Apparently leftists have to continually watch “right wing media” to realize how much it sucks yet nobody has to even bother watching cnn, msnbc, etc to realize how god awful they are.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. Apparently leftists have to continually watch “right wing media” to realize how much it sucks yet nobody has to even bother watching cnn, msnbc, etc to realize how god awful they are.
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That is an interesting observation
 
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SuzyVol said:
Was anyone in this thread persuaded to vote for Trump due to Russian disinformation, misinformation, or other interference? If so, what was the nature of the disinformation, misinformation, or other interference? If you know, how many of your friends and family fell victim to the same dastardly deed?
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Not provable. Not knowable.

What we do know is they tried. The only legitimate question is, why?

At the extremes the possible explanations are, the Russians:

1) simply hated the idea of HRC enough that they figured they would help Trump.

2) had some ins with the Trump camp. Think Manafort. Trump may not even have known or realized it was happening.

3) figured Trump was inexperienced and would be easier to manipulate by appealing to his ego.

4) had actual dirt on Trump



I used to be in the #4 camp but now that's lower on the list for me because I think we'd have heard about it by now.

I think it was some combination of 1 to 3. If Trump voters are okay with that, well, that's on them.
 
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