The shut down thread

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Velo Vol said:
Correct. Don't reward bad behaviour.

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Then just maybe congress shouldn't have overspent and over committed (bad behavior). A lot of those past lapses of judgement are going to ensure that there's never enough money to keep the government rolling along even without any new programs or obominations. If congress hadn't bankrupted and made sure the country couldn't live within its means, there wouldn't be a need find ways to keep the government open for business. That nasty old biddy has done her share of screwing things up.
 
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Mick said:
Only took one to shutdown the government.
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Ignoring the fact you enjoy trolling more than actual conversation, I'm going to hope you can give a straight answer for once. Do you believe either side has truly gone into this with good faith in trying to find a solution that everyone can live with? Or are both sides actively looking for something they can call a definitive win, public be damned?
 
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#3,117
volinbham said:
as discussed before, it's mostly a delay rather than a loss.

so a year long shutdown would mean we would be in serious recession? 5.2% loss in GDP? hard to believe that's correct.
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To use a point of reference from the recent past, during the 2013 shutdown, Standard & Poor's, the financial ratings agency, stated on October 16th that the shutdown had "to date taken $24 billion out of the economy", and "shaved at least 0.6 percent off annualized fourth-quarter 2013 GDP growth". That was over a shutdown which only lasted for 16 days. We are now on Day 33 of "The Great Trump Shutdown".

"The complete effects of a shutdown are often clouded by missing data that cannot be collected while specific government offices are closed." - Ben Bernanke, 2013
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump could have his stupid border wall... but he has to put more on the table than a temporary fix to DACA. If he was to offer amnesty to the 3.6 million "Dreamers", he would get a lot more than just $5.7 billion for the additional steel barrier. There is no indication that this group of people poses any security threat to the rest of the country. Most of them have already lived in the country for more than 10 years and are already fully assimilated into American society... some of them don't even speak Spanish at all. Trump won't do it, because he is afraid of his base.
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In fact Trump could never have his border wall especially at this point no matter what DACA deal he proposes. You want to know why? Because Trump chose to shutdown the government in order to get his border wall and nothing else. Nobody, regardless of which side of the isle you are on benefits from the government shutting down. Nothing good comes from shutting it down. A statement has to be made that shutting down the government can no longer be used as a tool of leverage for ANY sitting president, ergo the dems can't cave because if they do it opens the door to encouraging shutdowns for the foreseeable future. The longer this goes on the more pressure builds on the Republican senate to end the shutdown.
 
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Weezer said:
Ignoring the fact you enjoy trolling more than actual conversation, I'm going to hope you can give a straight answer for once. Do you believe either side has truly gone into this with good faith in trying to find a solution that everyone can live with? Or are both sides actively looking for something they can call a definitive win, public be damned?
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Both D's and R's did then Trump happened because he didn't get a second scoop. Contrary to what you may believe either side trying to gain from a CR is counter productive to actually ending the shutdown.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Correct. Don't reward bad behaviour.

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I missed the part of her quote where she said she was going to compromise to end the shutdown because part of politics is compromising with the other side. I also missed the part of her quote where they said they were busy doing their job, aka creating a budget bill, to ensure all Americans have the support of the federal government. Instead, as usual, democrats are more willing to help non citizens which is ironic given that they continuously screech about Trump destroying what "America is about"..and "American values"..
 
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