The shut down thread

[IPleadInsanity]

Yep. We had eight years of Republicans doing it, now we will have eight years of Democrats doing it. Rinse and repeat.

Idiocracy is our gift to history. Yay.

Yes we need to band together and drain the swamp while we have the chance. Push for term limits and balanced budget. They are supposed to know the minds of the people they represent and vote accordingly, not vote as a group.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Yes we need to band together and drain the swamp while we have the chance. Push for term limits and balanced budget. They are supposed to know the minds of the people they represent and vote accordingly, not vote as a group.

If only. Problem is the folks who need to vote in term limits are the very people who we need out of there. That ain't happening. I've pretty much given up on a balanced budget at this point. The King of Debt delivered on tax cuts, but with no significant spending offsets. I don't look for a dramatic reversal there. Hey, we print our own money, so we'll be good.

 

[zeppelin128]

Yes we need to band together and drain the swamp while we have the chance. Push for term limits and balanced budget. They are supposed to know the minds of the people they represent and vote accordingly, not vote as a group.

I'm with you on term limits. The balanced budget has already sailed. The military industrial complex will never allow us to balance a budget. If you even bring up defense cuts someone on this forum will lable you a Communist.

 

[Vol_Doc]

I'm with you on term limits. The balanced budget has already sailed. The military industrial complex will never allow us to balance a budget. If you even bring up defense cuts someone on this forum will lable you a Communist.

Well, we do spend over 4x what China does on defense. But our population is less than 1/4 the size, so the math works out. Oh, wait....

 

[LouderVol]

I'm with you on term limits. The balanced budget has already sailed. The military industrial complex will never allow us to balance a budget. If you even bring up defense cuts someone on this forum will lable you a Communist.

the commie thing comes up when it is the first thing brought up. "Look how big the military is, cut spending there."

I would say something a long the lines of "Everything, including the military is getting cut X percent." and if they badger on it bring up that we are toning back military missions abroad while keeping the domestic spending stable (or possibly higher-support the vets)

 

[Vol0725]

This chart graph alone, could have stopped the Shumer Shutdown.

 

[zeppelin128]

the commie thing comes up when it is the first thing brought up. "Look how big the military is, cut spending there."

I would say something a long the lines of "Everything, including the military is getting cut X percent." and if they badger on it bring up that we are toning back military missions abroad while keeping the domestic spending stable (or possibly higher-support the vets)

It comes up first because the spending on the military industrial complex has been out of control for years.

But if we are going to get serious about balancing the budget, we will have to drastically cut spending and raise revenue.

 

[FLVOL69]

It comes up first because the spending on the military industrial complex has been out of control for years.

But if we are going to get serious about balancing the budget, we will have to drastically cut spending and raise revenue.

It ain’t cheap building an interstellar fleet

 

[LouderVol]

It comes up first because the spending on the military industrial complex has been out of control for years.

But if we are going to get serious about balancing the budget, we will have to drastically cut spending and raise revenue.

no doubt. but so has the rest of the government. How many times have we heard of departments making ridiculous purchases just so they don't lose funding the next year?

raising revenue takes care of itself. It will be interesting to see how it rolls out but I doubt we see too much of a tax revenue drop due to the tax cuts.

 

[Boston Vol]

no doubt. but so has the rest of the government.

Thank you. A lot of people criticize the amount we spend on defense, and rightfully so. However they completely ignore the massive spending increases in every other department over the past two to three decades. Anytime I hear someone complain about military spending, I agree with them. Then I ask them to explain to me why the food stamp budget has increased 400% over the past fifteen years. They usually can’t come up without a reason.

 

[FLVOL69]

Thank you. A lot of people criticize the amount we spend on defense, and rightfully so. However they completely ignore the massive spending increases in every other department over the past two to three decades. Anytime I hear someone complain about military spending, I agree with them. Then I ask them to explain to me why the food stamp budget has increased 400% over the past fifteen years. They usually can’t come up without a reason.

It’s called baseline budgeting

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Thank you. A lot of people criticize the amount we spend on defense, and rightfully so. However they completely ignore the massive spending increases in every other department over the past two to three decades. Anytime I hear someone complain about military spending, I agree with them. Then I ask them to explain to me why the food stamp budget has increased 400% over the past fifteen years. They usually can’t come up without a reason.

Very valid point. And Pelosi, if I remember correctly, was very proud of the fact the numbers rose to historical levels.

 

[golfballs]

Cryin' Chuck is shook

 

[Vol_Doc]

no doubt. but so has the rest of the government. How many times have we heard of departments making ridiculous purchases just so they don't lose funding the next year?

raising revenue takes care of itself. It will be interesting to see how it rolls out but I doubt we see too much of a tax revenue drop due to the tax cuts.

Lol, this is the biggest joke about government spending. I've spent quite a bit of time in the VA hospital system over the years, and it's ridiculous how they will spend at the end of the year just to ensure no budget decrease. They end up buying stuff they don't ever use or sometimes can't use. If someone would actually roll up their sleeves and go through the government budgetary system, we could right the deficit in no time.

As to the bit about not much tax revenue drop, I don't see how you can believe that. You don't honestly think that this tax cut is going to jump start the economy more than it already is, do you?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Cryin' Chuck is shook

any link to it? I like to watch.

 

[LouderVol]

Lol, this is the biggest joke about government spending. I've spent quite a bit of time in the VA hospital system over the years, and it's ridiculous how they will spend at the end of the year just to ensure no budget decrease. They end up buying stuff they don't ever use or sometimes can't use. If someone would actually roll up their sleeves and go through the government budgetary system, we could right the deficit in no time.

As to the bit about not much tax revenue drop, I don't see how you can believe that. You don't honestly think that this tax cut is going to jump start the economy more than it already is, do you?

not sure how much the tax cut will do, but we were already seeing record high tax revenue amounts, doubt it changes with the cuts.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

It comes up first because the spending on the military industrial complex has been out of control for years.

But if we are going to get serious about balancing the budget, we will have to drastically cut spending and raise revenue.

The waste must be staggering, maybe 25%. Before you can balance the budget you must reward branches for not spending their entire funding. Its the opposite now and being sure you spend all of your funding will never balance the budget. Easy move.

 

[LouderVol]

The waste must be staggering, maybe 25%. Before you can balance the budget you must reward branches for not spending their entire funding. Its the opposite now and being sure you spend all of your funding will never balance the budget. Easy move.

Unfortunately the only way I can see it happening is if we give them a reward system. For every 100 bucks they don't spend their department is given 1 dollar as a bonus to their employees. to be applied equally.

 

[Vol_Doc]

not sure how much the tax cut will do, but we were already seeing record high tax revenue amounts, doubt it changes with the cuts.

If you cut the tax rate, the only way you don't lose revenue is if the taxed amount increases enough to cover the change. There is no way in hell the economy will grow enough to compensate for the size of this tax cut. Spending MUST be reined in, and reined in a lot, or the deficit will balloon to catastrophic levels. It's simple math.

 

[Vol_Doc]

The waste must be staggering, maybe 25%. Before you can balance the budget you must reward branches for not spending their entire funding. Its the opposite now and being sure you spend all of your funding will never balance the budget. Easy move.

Bingo. This is how just about every other business sector operates. Reward efficiency, dammit!

 

[LouderVol]

If you cut the tax rate, the only way you don't lose revenue is if the taxed amount increases enough to cover the change. There is no way in hell the economy will grow enough to compensate for the size of this tax cut. Spending MUST be reined in, and reined in a lot, or the deficit will balloon to catastrophic levels. It's simple math.

the simple math that said the tax cuts took out 500 billion from the rich's taxes despite that being MORE than the total they pay as individuals. That math?

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

He he...Protesters are gathered outside Schumer's house. Think he will invite them in for cookies or keep the doors locked?

 

[FLVOL69]

He he...Protesters are gathered outside Schumer's house. Think he will invite them in for cookies or keep the doors locked?

Dudes an assclown 🤡

 

[Vol_Doc]

the simple math that said the tax cuts took out 500 billion from the rich's taxes despite that being MORE than the total they pay as individuals. That math?

Not sure what you're talking about or how it relates to my statement.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He he...Protesters are gathered outside Schumer's house. Think he will invite them in for cookies or keep the doors locked?