The shut down thread

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vol66 said:
It could be argued Trump has caused his own headache here.

Had he took the time to study the issue a bit, he could go back to why Obama had to do DACA via Executive Order. He couldn't get the legislative branch to do anything on the issue.

So, Trump decided to do away with the program without a solution to what would happen next and he was relying on the same groups of people that couldn't figure it out 5 years ago or however long it's been.

I know folks will take exception to this but, I have a hard time understanding why you'd just simply say, I'm ending this so I can look tough on immigration and you guys need to deal with the fall out without any plan at all.
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Congress is the ones that should be taking the heat on this one. Trump was right in ending DACA, even Obama admitted it was unconstitutional.
 
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hog88 said:
Still promoting that falsehood I see.

I don't want a shutdown but the blowback will be hardest on the Dems, we already see the memes about them caring for illegals before the care about citizens. Just imagine the commercials during the midterms.
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Always knew you were in the 10%.
 
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It was ended because the EO on DACA is unconstitutional. The Congress is responsible for setting policy in this area. Obama did not have to do DACA because Congress wouldn't act, even he said it was unconstitutional.

Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."

The unconstitutionality of Obama's actions were confirmed when Obama tried to implement a second, similar program in 2014 called the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, or DAPA. Like DACA, DAPA provided an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens who came to the U.S. as adults and gave them work authorizations and access to government benefits.

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a nationwide injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand. As the Fifth Circuit said, the fact that the president declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."
 
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vol66 said:
It could be argued Trump has caused his own headache here.

Had he took the time to study the issue a bit, he could go back to why Obama had to do DACA via Executive Order. He couldn't get the legislative branch to do anything on the issue.

So, Trump decided to do away with the program without a solution to what would happen next and he was relying on the same groups of people that couldn't figure it out 5 years ago or however long it's been.

I know folks will take exception to this but, I have a hard time understanding why you'd just simply say, I'm ending this so I can look tough on immigration and you guys need to deal with the fall out without any plan at all.
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Which conquistador was it that reached the American coast and then burned all the ships? That may be one reason that S. and C. America are referred to as "hispanic" today.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So Trump said he'd sign whatever the group came up with. They had a plan. He said ok. He invited them back hours later and he rescinded the deal.

McConnell says they'd like to pass something ... if they knew what Trump would support.

Graham says on the floor tonight, please tell us what will work. We can't read your mind.

This is where we are when you elect a know-nothing to high office. And my favorite part is when they say it's the Dems' fault. That's hilarious right there.
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Shows how ridiculous the SWAMP has become. What do immigration issues have to do with funding the government? There is no side here, taxes were appropriated from our paychecks to fund the government, now fund the moth88fu88ker!:censored:
 
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hog88 said:
Congress is the ones that should be taking the heat on this one. Trump was right in ending DACA, even Obama admitted it was unconstitutional.
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I'm not really concerned with who takes the heat. I don't have a problem with ending DACA.

All I'm saying is that you can't just end a program with no solution to address why there was a program. Or, I guess you can, but you get stuck like this.
 
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vol66 said:
I'm not really concerned with who takes the heat. I don't have a problem with ending DACA.

All I'm saying is that you can't just end a program with no solution to address why there was a program. Or, I guess you can, but you get stuck like this.
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Yeah ya can. The yahoo's in congress that have been *****ing about DACA for years should have already had a plan. Just like ACA.
 
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vol66 said:
I'm not really concerned with who takes the heat. I don't have a problem with ending DACA.

All I'm saying is that you can't just end a program with no solution to address why there was a program. Or, I guess you can, but you get stuck like this.
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Sooooooo......he should have had a "plan" to fix what should have never been done in the first place?????
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
In theory, you're right. Unfortunately, in practice, Trump stuck a time bomb on DACA... March 5 — the day the Trump administration said expiring DACA permits would no longer be renewable, which has been treated by Congress as the “deadline” for a DACA fix.

Time is running out to fix DACA.

90% of Americans - including Trump - support DACA.

Trump wants to parlay a DACA deal into him getting billions for his stupid wall- that he promised Mexico would pay for.

This would mark the 4th continuing resolution... which is just poor legislating.

So, there's your intertwining. Guess who's right in the middle gumming it all up... Mr. Art of the Deal.

I wonder if Trump will cut a deal with Schumer and **** the Republican right wingers. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Thats how congress is supposed to work. For the past few decades its become apparent there is no real compromise between parties. Its a "my way or the highway" mentality.

If Trump cuts a deal so be it. The Republicans are in charge of everything and have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Sooooooo......he should have had a "plan" to fix what should have never been done in the first place?????
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A plan to deal with this group of folks which is what DACA was attempting to do. In other words, you end DACA now what?
 
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vol66 said:
A plan to deal with this group of folks which is what DACA was attempting to do. In other words, you end DACA now what?
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its time to get off the pot. Do your business or leave. again it is amazing how few of these people get substantially into the process of becoming a citizen and just depend on temporary measures to keep them here.
 
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#117
Both sides have an argument that the other is being unreasonable.

Tying CHIPs funding to this by the GOP is pretty transparent effort to hold them hostage. Tying DACA to it by the Dems is pretty transparent effort to hold everything else hostage.
 
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#120
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Vol0725 said:
So I'm ignorant? Please don't tarnish your intelligence with piss-ant innuendos like that.

With that said, agreed, both sides can be idiots...everybody's got their own belief system, while at the same time, everybody's gotta feel like they have a seat at the table...it's a vicious cycle, is what it is I reckon.

Now, the $18B wall/border enhancements...that's peanuts!

The border wall ALONE could save taxpayers 5X it's cost over 10 years, conservatively...not to mention the other benefits such as entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.

Boom: Wall would save taxpayers $64 billion in freebies for illegals

Boom: Wall would save taxpayers $64 billion in freebies for illegals

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration | Center for Immigration Studies

Me personally, I think it's a small ticket price to pay, 18B to mitigate transnational criminal organizations that operate sophisticated drug- and human-trafficking networks and smuggling operations on both sides of the southern border, contributing to a significant increase in violent crime and United States deaths from dangerous drugs. Among those who illegally enter are those who seek to harm Americans through acts of terror or criminal conduct. And, it's no secret, "continued" illegal immigration presents an enhanced clear and present danger to the interests of the United States.
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Ahh, yes...the CIS...the institution that thinks a border wall would be an effective deterrent to illegal immigration.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The deported guy (Jorge Garcia) who made headlines in Detroit would be a dreamer if he were younger. He had spent a reported $125k on his failed path to citizenship.
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Yeah, and he was married to a US Citizen, been here for 30 years, never even had a speeding ticket...
 
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vol66 said:
A plan to deal with this group of folks which is what DACA was attempting to do. In other words, you end DACA now what?
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How exactly do you deal with this group without addressing the real problem. DACA is like agreeing that a bunch of the mosquitoes in the room are accepted when the windows and doors are all wide open, unscreened, and the place is located in a mosquito infested swamp.

We played the amnesty game during the Reagan years, didn't fix the real problem - border security, and the problem is bigger than ever. The only answer to the Dims this time is address border security; then and only then will we address a path to citizenship for a very limited group of illegal aliens.
 
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AM64 said:
How exactly do you deal with this group without addressing the real problem. DACA is like agreeing that a bunch of the mosquitoes in the room are accepted when the windows and doors are all wide open, unscreened, and the place is located in a mosquito infested swamp.

We played the amnesty game during the Reagan years, didn't fix the real problem - border security, and the problem is bigger than ever. The only answer to the Dims this time is address border security; then and only then will we address a path to citizenship for a very limited group of illegal aliens.
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I don't have a problem with increased border protection at all. That will not address the bigger problem of people coming here legally on work visas and disappearing after the visa has expired.

It (border security) also has nothing to do with the DACA recipients who are already here, they didn't come here illegally, their parents did. Many of them would have met many of the requirements for citizenship except there is no law on the books that allows them to pursue citizenship, for the most part.

Obviously, the whole immigration system needs an overhaul because it simply isn't working, really, for anyone. Certainly the situation with regard to Mr. Garcia is a bad look, putting it mildly.
 
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