The Star Wars 8 SPOILER thread.

The casino scene was no worse and probably slightly better than the Hutt palace scene in RotJ. Stop hating it because it was different. TFA ‘we hate it because it’s a remake of ANH. TLJ ‘we hate it because it’s too different’. Make up your mind people. It really wasn’t that bad. Sure the Leia stuff was awful but other than that the movie was pretty good.

I challenge everyone to go watch it again. The cinematic build up to Snokes ship getting destroyed was amazing.

I don't hate it "because it's different"; I don't like it because it felt out of place from the rest of the movie, and the way it was shot seemed like more something out of the prequels. I don't know how to explain it anymore other than I got an extreme prequel vibe from it, and by that I mean things from the prequel I didn't like.
 
I don't hate it "because it's different"; I don't like it because it felt out of place from the rest of the movie, and the way it was shot seemed like more something out of the prequels. I don't know how to explain it anymore other than I got an extreme prequel vibe from it, and by that I mean things from the prequel I didn't like.

I meant more of the film as a whole was a pretty different change of pace as far as Star Wars goes. If we nitpicked the originals the same way we do every film, they’d be just as bad. I mean it took 40 years to explain why there was such a huge flaw in the Death Star to begin with.
 
The way Luke Skywalker exits the star wars universe is an absolute travesty and a joke. This movie is like Star Wars and Clerks had an unfunny baby that went on a 45 minute gas station run to get some 87 with ethanol and a pack of Marlboro reds but instead get no gas and a pack of basic lights then just to decide to not smoke them and toss them aside into the wind.

Its ok if you are going to just see "a movie"..but as a star wars film..pretty bad.
 
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The casino scene was no worse and probably slightly better than the Hutt palace scene in RotJ. Stop hating it because it was different. TFA ‘we hate it because it’s a remake of ANH. TLJ ‘we hate it because it’s too different’. Make up your mind people. It really wasn’t that bad. Sure the Leia stuff was awful but other than that the movie was pretty good.

I challenge everyone to go watch it again. The cinematic build up to Snokes ship getting destroyed was amazing.

The Hutt scene had female nudity and the Rancor. Thats > the Canto scene x10.
 
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The way Luke Skywalker exits the star wars universe is an absolute travesty and a joke. This movie is like Star Wars and Clerks had an unfunny baby that went on a 45 minute gas station run to get some 87 with ethanol and a pack of Marlboro reds but instead get no gas and a pack of basic lights then just to decide to not smoke them and toss them aside into the wind.

Its ok if you are going to just see "a movie"..but as a star wars film..pretty bad.


What was a travesty about it? Because he didn’t have a lightsaber duel with his nephew?

He went out doing something ridiculousy powerful with the force.
 
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SO I was thinking who will train Rey now that there are no real Jedi anymore. Did anyone catch at the end when Finn was grabbing the blanket for that mechanic chick that the drawer had all of the original Jedi books in it?
 
Because he didn't duel anybody. He projected a hologram. He was a washed up wanker.

It wasn’t a hologram. It was a massive Jedi mind trick of 100s of people.... from across the galaxy.

Personally that is more bad ass than just another lightsaber duel.

If anything I would have liked to see him bring down a walker or two with the force but it didn’t happen and that’s ok.

SO I was thinking who will train Rey now that there are no real Jedi anymore. Did anyone catch at the end when Finn was grabbing the blanket for that mechanic chick that the drawer had all of the original Jedi books in it?

Yes... and the point of all the scenes with her and Luke was essentially the Jedi religion needed a complete reboot. Rey has the books and her instincts.
 
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It wasn’t a hologram. It was a massive Jedi mind trick of 100s of people.... from across the galaxy.

Personally that is more bad ass than just another lightsaber duel.

If anything I would have liked to see him bring down a walker or two with the force but it didn’t happen and that’s ok.



Yes... and the point of all the scenes with her and Luke was essentially the Jedi religion needed a complete reboot. Rey has the books and her instincts.

Disagree.

Someone posted "Luke is like Jon Wick"..

They must have meant a wimp with a soft spot for stupid crystal foxes.

Even Mark Hamill on multiple occasions said he disagreed with everything Johnson had done with Skywalker..to the point where it was almost like he had not even seen the original movies.
 
It wasn’t a hologram. It was a massive Jedi mind trick of 100s of people.... from across the galaxy.

Personally that is more bad ass than just another lightsaber duel.

If anything I would have liked to see him bring down a walker or two with the force but it didn’t happen and that’s ok.



Yes... and the point of all the scenes with her and Luke was essentially the Jedi religion needed a complete reboot. Rey has the books and her instincts.

Hologram, projection, mind screw, whatever you call it - just arguing semantics. The key issue is it was a hollow and weak ending devised for Luke. He could have just as easily hopped on the Falcon, had a true heartfelt face to face with his sister and inspired the survivors and died any number of ways as a martyr for the cause. And it would have been visible and inspiring to the others, instead of offing himself for no reason with no one around to know. All the same to him in the end right? Except in one scenario you actually have meaning and purpose. Instead we have an unlikeable character that doesn’t care to see his sister or own up to his mistakes with Ren, or take that extra time to convey wisdom to Rey. This ending wasn’t a force suicide. It was creative assassination.
 
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Hologram, projection, mind screw, whatever you call it - just arguing semantics. The key issue is it was a hollow and weak ending devised for Luke. He could have just as easily hopped on the Falcon, had a true heartfelt face to face with his sister and inspired the survivors and died any number of ways as a martyr for the cause. And it would have been visible and inspiring to the others, instead of offing himself for no reason with no one around to know. All the same to him in the end right? Except in one scenario you actually have meaning and purpose. Instead we have an unlikeable character that doesn’t care to see his sister or own up to his mistakes with Ren, or take that extra time to convey wisdom to Rey. This ending wasn’t a force suicide. It was creative assassination.
Your unceasing anger toward this film is admirable, but on the subject at hand... What do you think would have happened if he went there in person? I guess it would've been cool for some people to see him get blown up by a bunch of Walkers and not stall long enough to allow what remains of the resistance to escape.
 
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NO, he went out doing something ridiculous with the force

What is so ridiculous about a new, powerful force power being introduced and used by an extremely powerful force user? It happens in basically every movie including TFA. Was it ridiculous when Palpatine suddenly fired lightning out of his hands in ROTJ? No. New =/= Ridiculous.
 
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What is so ridiculous about a new, powerful force power being introduced and used by an extremely powerful force user? It happens in basically every movie including TFA. Was it ridiculous when Palpatine suddenly fired lightning out of his hands in ROTJ? No. New =/= Ridiculous.

Exactly!!
 
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I have no problem with the force being expanded; like I said earlier if you don't then you're just doing the same thing over and over. Plus at some point the for us (the old fans) the Force expanded from just being able to choke people and hear a dead guy's voice kinda and being something you can "sense", to Force Ghosts and shooting lightning out of your hands.

I really don't really have a problem with it evolving, because also like I said earlier, by the time of the prequels Yoda was over 800 years old and didn't know about Force Ghosts until the end of ROTS. So even he was still learning new stuff.
 
I found nothing redeeming about this movie other than the visual artists who worked on the film. Apparently the director also wrote the script, but the writing and decision making seems like a committee effort and the end result is just a hot mess.

What gives with all the cornball humor and ineffective timing? Sure, all the movies have had jokes at times, but this movie went out of its way to make everyone a bad comic. Sorry, but Star Wars is a about good/evil, a fight for survival, insurmountable odds, not giving up, etc. it's not about how can we inject as many lurching bad jokes as possible into every scene. I didn't go to watch TLJ thinking I was going to see a crap comedy set in space, give me break.

Can we have some science in our science fiction please!? Is that so hard? Bombs float in space, not fall. Put some cool mini propulsion systems on them, is that so hard? And what is with the lobbing of laser shots at the rebel ships, are you serious? When holes get punched in ships there is a thing called a vacuum...

This "chase" was excruciating to sit through. Oh wow, you can track a ship through hyperspace but you can't squeeze a bit more juice out of the engines, out maneuver, recruit another vessel, etc? Really? And what did the first order say, that the rebel ships were lighter?! You are in space! I am sorry, the Rebels have a fuel problem? They don't have fission? Still running on petrol? This whole sequence was stupid and lasted forever. The FO looked stupid and so did the rebels.

Oh, and Poe just takes out all the laser cannons to start the movie, sure. Remind me how in the world the FO has pushed the rebels to the brink if their fleet is so inept? Maybe it is because they can't bend the rules of gravity.

Rey accomplished nothing on the island. She went there essentially to talk to Ren. Luke finally gives her one lesson eventually. Then she decides to run off and confront everyone. Whatever, she is totally untrained and raw, but sure, she can best Ren, Luke and the Guard. Right. She's a character more like a Disney princess, not a Jedi warrior. And her dark side experience was boring, there was nothing menacing at all. Her saber swinging on top of the mountain reminded me of the kid in his garage. Like her swinging against air all day was going to hone her skills.

Snoke. WTH? Why even put him in the damn movies at all? He literally has no reason to be in the movies. Ren could have been showed rising to power and finding his own way to becoming a sith lord without a master. His knights (where are they?!) would have helped him rise up and take over the first order. That would have been vastly different and much more effective than this bait and switch bs. His death is just lazy writing, sorry. All the movie is basically lazy creativity. If that was the intent a different storyline was needed.

Geez, what else? Flying Leia. That was a perfect time to take her out. Most her lines were so mush mouthed in the film it was hard to watch. Laura Dern just shows up as next in command? Ok? Where have you been and why don't you have a suit like everyone else? Oh and your plan sucks.

Poe is a douche. He is developed to be nothing more. Why are they not developing the characters? And then you have all the older wiser women leaders going tsk tsk every time he tries to do something, but he is indeed acting stupid. Ugh, just so bad all around. Then at the end, he's like geez guys I think Luke is trying to buy us some time! Ya think?

Rose is damn annoying. Actually everything to do with her, Finn and their pitiful plot arc should have been removed from the movie to trim time. It is only there in my opinion to give Finn something to do in the movie. That and inform us idiot movie goers how animals are harmed, rich people are bad, poor people are forgotten, both warring sides are equally guilty, etc. etc. Excuse me for existing Disney, let me go off myself now, and as a side benefit I won't have to see the rest of this movie. And then Rose prevents Finn from blowing up the battering ram at the end. I hated that. Finn should have been like, Girl you are an idiot! Now everyone is going to die! She's a damn plumber, what's she even doing flying one of those pods?grrr, she prevented Finn from actually serving a purpose. You could have removed their whole arc and 0 impact on film outcome! So why was it there?

I have so much more to cover, but I'm tiring out. Let's end with Luke. I notice one apologist poster keeps saying he likes the broken hero. Yeah, that's fine. However, the feeling is one of a disrespected and crapped on broken hero by the creatives in this movie. I'm fine with the grumpiness, unwillingness to train, etc. However, Luke was the only hope Star Wars had in the originals. He found something still alive in Vader for crying out loud. He couldn't kill Ren. You are telling me as much of a hermit he may be, he will not be more involved in helping his own sister and her forces escape or battle Ren? You are just going to leave the greatest hero of Star Wars on an island the whole time, have him fake fight Ren, and then just force suicide himself before his time? Whatever. The way Luke's character was treated made absolutely no sense and was disrespectful. Hamill is on the record saying as much himself.

I can't comprehend what those that like the movie actually like? Do you just get off on being trolled by the director and Disney? You like the efforts to just do away with the old characters as much as possible while inviting in non developing new characters? Seeing the conservative place setting put in place by TFA, only to see TLJ serve you slop instead of steak? I really, really, don't get it. I am done with this Star Wars arc. Maybe the offshoots will hold some hope like Rogue One.

Under the same critical lens, all of the Star Wars movies would seem hokey.
 
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Your unceasing anger toward this film is admirable, but on the subject at hand... What do you think would have happened if he went there in person? I guess it would've been cool for some people to see him get blown up by a bunch of Walkers and not stall long enough to allow what remains of the resistance to escape.

Let's assume it all happens the same, but for real. Writers can write - well, not evidenced here. But assuming they can write accordingly, this works fine. All they have to do is undo a few craptastic prior choices, any of which work. Remove the flashback cornball moment where Rey has to use her power to move - rocks. That would save time and our continued death by comic relief! Or maybe they actually find accurate maps of the base, and some no name in the background says "This way, hurry!". Or maybe Meathead Poe as he is portrayed, isn't the first one enlightened enough to the fact Luke is stalling for them. He obviously hurts his brain deliberating for some time on this matter.

Aside from the low hanging fruit of doing the above, what else could happen? Now, I’m no writer but I know what I like:

1. He literally brings Ren's walker to its knees. Being blasted never happens. Talking, fighting, running away, etc. happens next.

2. They duel to the death with Luke's blood pooling and contrasting with the salt and red soil. Maybe you frame the shot with his robot hand and saber flickering out.

3. He hurls really, really, really, big rocks off the mountain like a jedi boss and crushes the GRLA-ATS. –sarcasm-

4. He and Rey both go out and fight Ren. Rey turns and fights against Luke however due to her conflicting views on Ren. They both strike Luke down in the end. Damn!

5. He flies away. No sarcasm, it is canon people c’mon!

6. He introduces a new Jedi power, like… projection/hologram/teleportation. Maybe there are a hundred of him. Maybe they are in the GRLA_AT’s too, killing First Order troops with bad jokes. – sarcasm-

7. and on and on…

See. It’s not hard people. Disney et al did not even try hard and are making a killing. But go ahead, give them your money while they force feed you more crap and tell you how wonderful it is, all while educating you on the evil of war and big companies, etc. Oh the irony.
 
What is so ridiculous about a new, powerful force power being introduced and used by an extremely powerful force user? It happens in basically every movie including TFA. Was it ridiculous when Palpatine suddenly fired lightning out of his hands in ROTJ? No. New =/= Ridiculous.

Nothing is ridiculous about it. It is the execution of it, like every other failed effort in the movie.
 
Your unceasing anger toward this film is admirable, but on the subject at hand... What do you think would have happened if he went there in person? I guess it would've been cool for some people to see him get blown up by a bunch of Walkers and not stall long enough to allow what remains of the resistance to escape.

What would have been cooler was having the AT-ATs fire, Luke using the force to send them back, and than challenging Kylo to a duel before Obi-Wanning himself. No matter how much you defend this the force projection death is completely and utterly the worst way to send off the character of Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson did a complete disservice to Luke and Mark Hamil, its like he never watched the original trilogy to star with. So Luke never gives up on Vader who did much, much worse things then Kylo will ever do but decides to kill his nephew in the middle of the night and than runs away and hides from the galaxy as the monster he has created rapes, pillages, and burns the known universe? I'm sorry I refuse to believe Luke would be such a coward given his character history up until this point.
 
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What would have been cooler was having the AT-ATs fire, Luke using the force to send them back, and than challenging Kylo to a duel before Obi-Wanning himself.

And then you'd be on here complaining that they copied from Empire too closely "like Force Awakens did A New Hope" ...
 

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