The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[ClearwaterVol]

Now you are just being DUMB.

I did not say they were protesting the flag.

I did not say they were protesting dead soldiers.

I did not say they were protesting veterans.

I did not say it was a protest against America.

You built at least 4 strawmen to take your faux liberal outrage on.

I did say what they're doing during a ceremony designed to show respect, at the very least disrespects those who died for their freedoms.

Didn't say they were protesting anything.

I know what it's about, no one who reads or listens to news could be ignorant of the BLM issue.

Myself and many, many tbousands of liberal and conservative folk choose not listen when they choose to disrespect those who died for their freedoms. And we damn well DO see it as disrespect, no matter what color of lipstick you pick to paint that pigs lips with.

And the right venue? Many.
Press conference whether for one player or a whole team off the top of my head. Another could be gathering as many players who care to participate in one location and (with a permit) marching to some significant site of the BLM movement.

Nope, it's not just conservatives opposed to whats going on during the anthem.

I would say use your head, but...

It's the right's faux outrage about kneeling during the national anthem. You claimed I created strawmen then talked about disrespecting dead soldiers who died for freedom. That was the same point you'd called a strawman. Republicans are quickly becoming a bunch of snowflakes that get offended at perceived slights.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

They got what they wanted which is a political win. Trump has controlled the board since the players/owners/coaches took the bait. Not sure what there is to explain really.

Trump will continue to use it until they are put into submission -- all the way the players are going to keep doing/saying dumb things which will be more ammo.

Only the most dull witted would see this as Trump winning. He's an immature buffoon.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's the right's faux outrage about kneeling during the national anthem. You claimed I created strawmen then talked about disrespecting dead soldiers who died for freedom. That was the same point you'd called a strawman. Republicans are quickly becoming a bunch of snowflakes that get offended at perceived slights.

Why is this a Republican issue? Lost me there.

It would seem like the real protest is working -- there is nothing wrong doing whatever the players are doing (I have no idea what that is but) and there is nothing wrong with people protesting by boycotting and withdrawing public funding as well.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Only the most dull witted would see this as Trump winning. He's an immature buffoon.

The irony, if you don't see he laid the bait and the players/owners took it like Michael Moore at a Ryan's food buffet, I don't know what to tell you. This is an easy observation, it was easy two weeks ago -- yes, he put the NFL in the box and yes its a political victory. How much he wins and how much the NFL loses is yet to be determined.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Considering human rights are particularly bad in China and problems are made up here, yes, in this case he’d have to care about worse things than here. At least care about real problems, even just a little.

So, I'm a big brother and I support friends of strays. Must I check any country I wish to visit to determine how they treat strays and their mentoring programs for under privileged youth? GTFOH

 

[BowlBrother85]

And that is why you have people boycotting (protesting) the NFL now -- what they did is considered by many to be a selfish act i.e cutting off your nose...

At this point, its about how much the NFL loses and how much Trump gains politically -- I would say fairly obvious at this point.

Not everything in life should revolve around scoring political points or winning the news cycle. Whatever Pence hoped to accomplish with yesterday's walkout could have been done at another game. He didn't have to steal the spotlight from a game meant to honor Peyton Manning (a former Man of the Year Award winner who has nothing to do with this controversy)... and once again, Pence knew ahead of time that he would be walking out because it involved the 49ers (the team who started this).

You say it's about political points... and I say it should have been about showing respect to Peyton Manning and not overshadowing his day. Pence should not have shown up at that game knowing he would be walking out of it and thereby dominating the headline. This was selfish.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

The irony, if you don't see he laid the bait and the players/owners took it like Michael Moore at a Ryan's food buffet, I don't know what to tell you. This is an easy observation, it was easy two weeks ago -- yes, he put the NFL in the box and yes its a political victory. How much he wins and how much the NFL loses is yet to be determined.

What did Trump gain?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Not everything in life should revolve around scoring political points or winning the news cycle. Whatever Pence hoped to accomplish with yesterday's walkout could have been done at another game. He didn't have to steal the spotlight from a game meant to honor Peyton Manning (a former Man of the Year Award winner who has nothing to do with this controversy)... and once again, Pence knew ahead of time that he would be walking out because it involved the 49ers (the team who started this).

You say it's about political points... and I say it should have been about showing respect to Peyton Manning and not overshadowing his day. Pence should not have shown up at that game knowing he would be walking out of it and thereby dominating the headlines from the game. This was selfish.

I didn't read your whole post because its moot. Trump won, just a matter of how much, the NFL lost and its just a matter of how much.

Crying isn't going to change anything, people getting mad at me for point out the obvious is probably a waste of time as well -- but rage on.

 

[LSU-SIU]

What did Trump gain?

Political points, the players/owners entered a political arena... he put the NFL in a box. If you don't understand this, you probably are still thinking last November was a fluke. (good luck with all that)

You are looking for an argument, there simply isn't one. This was over two weeks ago -- like talking about who's going to win World War I, its over.

 

[volbeast33]

Trump's strategy since day one has been to increase the divide. He is doing his best to force people to pick a side.

That's been the liberal plan for 20 years..... minority versus white.... gay versus straight..... poor versus rich..... woman versus man

 

[tumscalcium]

So, I'm a big brother and I support friends of strays. Must I check any country I wish to visit to determine how they treat strays and their mentoring programs for under privileged youth? GTFOH

If you go to those countries, which have much larger problems with strays and engage with the locals and don’t give a **** about their far worse stray problem then yes, your message is empty. You can go visit of course, but if you’re trying to act like you’re standing for something don’t go to a worse place and remain silent.

I’m against child trafficking. If I go to China for work or other and completely ignore it there while only throwing a fit here, then yes, my message is empty.

 

[Weezy]

Curry and the Warriors just spent a week in China. A part of a broad effort to attract China's business. Meanwhile North Carolina loses the All Star game for making men and women go to their respective restroom. And the Warriors refuse to go the White House...for let's be honest, their candidate lost. Meanwhile China has very no freedom of press, restricted freedom of speech, no due process, etc. But nobody blinks because the dollar rules.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I didn't read your whole post because its moot. Trump won, just a matter of how much, the NFL lost and its just a matter of how much.

Crying isn't going to change anything, people getting mad at me for point out the obvious is probably a waste of time as well -- but rage on.

Won what? Did Trump put pads on and play a game? What was the score? LOL! What the hell are you talking about? The way you talk is just plain :crazy:

 

[volfannbama]

It's the right's faux outrage about kneeling during the national anthem. You claimed I created strawmen then talked about disrespecting dead soldiers who died for freedom. That was the same point you'd called a strawman. Republicans are quickly becoming a bunch of snowflakes that get offended at perceived slights.

I love how expressing an opinion is not considered outrage and having a differing opinion qualifies one as a snowflake.

 

[NashVol11]

That not what others believe or think.

If the players say their protest is about one thing, over and over, and specifically NOT about the flag or military, over and over...and Trump immediately redefines it to say they are protesting America, just to make them look worse and score political points, that's divisive. He is intentionally ignoring what they say and substituting his own meaning to turn people against them. I doubt we will, but we should all be able to agree that that is divisive.

I imagine that the response will be that the players "started it" by being divisive first, but if that's the best justification he has, that kind of proves my point.

 

[tumscalcium]

If the players say their protest is about one thing, over and over, and specifically NOT about the flag or military, over and over...and Trump immediately redefines it to say they are protesting America, just to make them look worse and score political points, that's divisive. He is intentionally ignoring what they say and substituting his own meaning to turn people against them. I doubt we will, but we should all be able to agree that that is divisive.

I imagine that the response will be that the players "started it" by being divisive first, but if that's the best justification he has, that kind of proves my point.

This has been going on before Trump. This has been talked about before Trump. You need to get Trump out of your head.

 

[NashVol11]

This has been going on before Trump. This has been talked about before Trump. You need to get Trump out of your head.

I don't know what conversation you are having, but mine is about how Trump described player protests. Trump was not describing player protests before Trump.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Oh the hell it isn't.

What's the right venue?

You people crack me up. They aren't protesting the flag. They aren't protesting dead soldiers. They aren't protesting veterans. They are protesting perceived racial inequalities. Now, the white conservative bloc wants to frame it as protests against America. It's insane. Don't bother discussing the issue. Tell them that they should be grateful that they live here and make a bunch of money. Republicans were outraged when Obama made his "you didn't make it" comment, but apparently that applies to black athletes.

When should they protest? Blacks have been told that marching isn't the appropriate way. Sitting during the anthem is not the right way. Despite the fact that kneeling was suggested by a veteran as a way to show respect while still protesting... not the proper way either. People just don't want to see political statements at a football game, of course when it's an orchestrated grand standing event, those same people kneel ready to fellate Trump and Pence for showing them what's what. What is the proper way to protest? Maybe in the privacy of their own homes?

I'd like to see them protest domestic violence.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Political points, the players/owners entered a political arena... he put the NFL in a box. If you don't understand this, you probably are still thinking last November was a fluke. (good luck with all that)

You are looking for an argument, there simply isn't one. This was over two weeks ago -- like talking about who's going to win World War I, its over.

So you think he gained supporters?

 

[tumscalcium]

I don't know what conversation you are having, but mine is about how Trump described player protests. Trump was not describing player protests before Trump.

It’s nice you admit the disconnect. I bring in all the factors, you just want to limit it to cry about Trump.

 

[Septic]

The irony, if you don't see he laid the bait and the players/owners took it like Michael Moore at a Ryan's food buffet, I don't know what to tell you. This is an easy observation, it was easy two weeks ago -- yes, he put the NFL in the box and yes its a political victory. How much he wins and how much the NFL loses is yet to be determined.

Dude, the only group being baited is his base. You car chasers get too busy defending his honor to notice he's completely fallen on his face and isn't delivering on a damn thing he promised.

If your only goal was to piss off the left for four years, congratulations, I guess? By all appearances that's all that's going to be accomplished, meanwhile Obama's legacy lives on through actual law.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So you think he gained supporters?

Hell, no. This guy is talking about how Trump is pandering to his base of support. If you voted against Trump last November 8th, there is no reason these last 9 months would have changed your mind about him. Not even the Trump supporters on here would argue that point.

 

[Septic]

It’s nice you admit the disconnect. I bring in all the factors, you just want to limit it to cry about Trump.

No one is crying about trump anymore.

He's rendered himself a eunuch, at this point no one fears him in the slightest.

Less than a year in and he's alienated his own party to the point where he'll have to spend time in the barrel to have any hope of getting meaningful legislation passed.

 

[volfanhill]

No one is crying about trump anymore.

He's rendered himself a eunuch, at this point no one fears him in the slightest.

Less than a year in and he's alienated his own party to the point where he'll have to spend time in the barrel to have any hope of getting meaningful legislation passed.

He has zero hope of any major legislation getting threw. He can sit back and hope for Supreme Court nominatins and write E/O's and that's about it.

 

[Septic]

He has zero hope of any major legislation getting threw. He can sit back and hope for Supreme Court nominatins and write E/O's and that's about it.

Shame too, I was actually rooting for some common sense tax reform. It was one of a few of areas I actually agreed with his platform.