The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[NorthDallas40]

Does anyone still believe that the whole kneeling fiasco was about social injustice?

That was the majority stated reason. What do you think it was?

 

[volbeast33]

Hmmm.

A) agree the NFL forced the issue but I would suggest he could have worked the angle for a bit and then just said “ hey I’m doing what they told me to”. And also to be fair to Kapernick he didn’t ask for this. It was blown out of proportion by the media. But I still submit he made a tactical blunder and could have handled it better.

B) so the team was correct in forcing a decorated combat veteran who served multiple tours with the Army Rangers to chose between adhering to team rules or breaking his own moral code of conduct? Also I don’t think it was a team rule violation I think the team just wanted to make a unified stance. Nor do I think he got any blow back from it, none I’m aware of anyway could be wrong. I believe he felt worse about it than the team did.

But as you’ve said this is all just wildly blown out of proportion. I agree with that. It never should have happened in the first place. You choose to shrug it off. I’d like to see it gone. I view it as inciting a response in an improper venue.

In the end we both get what we want. Now the players can A) attend the anthem and stand or B) choose to stay in the locker room. Player choice between options and able to still make their statement in a noninciting fashion. If any player chooses to attend and kneel he is acting in a flagrant provocative fashion and should be punished accordingly as far as I’m concerned. That’s just my opinion. I do realize you feel we should just ignore the whole thing. That’s cool too.

Now I’m gonna go play some XBox.

Kapernick would have a job if he was a better QB

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Marcus, my belief is that we have a lot more in common with each other than we not. Liberals have tried to make us focus on all of our differences because that plays into their identity politics game. I think the overwhelming majority of blacks, whites, Christians, Hindus, Jews. Muslims, Chinese, Russians, Latinos want a simple life, an honest days work, for an honest days pay, a warm meal with the family as often as possible, and a loving, supportive partner to share their lives with.

But instead of this, we would rather argue about petty stuff like flags, what someone chooses to ingest in their bodies, how much money does their neighbor make, and all kinds of other nonsense that has absolutely diddly źsquat to do with our individual lives.

One of the reasons I respect you, brother. Great post, and I agree. I also know that i can be a very excitable guy. I am an adrenaline or dopamine junkie. That's why I work out 5 or 6 days a week and love sex so much(only my wifes) ...I can get very angry some times, the testosterone I take makes me have to always take stock of that..so road rage or something doesn't put me in jail. Price of the benefits i enjoy from test, I can handle that. You are very wise to realize the left's attempts at identity politics has greatly divided our country. Those wounds can take a generation to heal. Burns my butt, too.

Despite my beliefs, I am more centrist than more here would think.i am a hardline conservative on fiscal issues, but liberal on many social issues. Not bc i think they are right..but bc you can't legislate morality, nor faith. If people want to live in sin, it's on them. Just don't let their sin effect my family, at all

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Kapernick would have a job if he was a better QB

This. 1000x this. Look how many unknown QBs got drafted this year

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Kapernick would have a job if he was a better QB

Kapernick was far better than the trash the league rolled out there this past year. They instead chose to play the safe political and commercial move over any team signing him. My disgust with that is that they could have at least been honest. No way the likes of Nathan Peterman and the rest of the bums rolled out there were better than Kapernick.

He would have been a good fantasy pick up...

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That was the majority stated reason. What do you think it was?

I think it was nothing more than an attention getting gesture led by a spoiled, washed up QB that couldnt handle the fact that he lost his job.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I think it was nothing more than an attention getting gesture led by a spoiled, washed up QB that couldnt handle the fact that he lost his job.

His stats were no different than Garrapolo's.

I have no problem with you all saying he had a dumb, misguided protest. That would actually be close to factual.

But to say he was washed up and compare that to the trash I had to pick through on fantasy waivers each week is ridiculous.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If he's racist, does that mean I'm not racist Joe anymore?

I'm perplexed... what are you talking about?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

😘
I guess I can join the Louder and joe club now.

Louder is on my "ignore list" because I think he goes out of his way to just be contrary. I don't have you on ignore or didn't know I had beef with joe.

 

[Weezer]

Supposedly, players are already trying to come up with another way to protest as they feel the NFL has overstepped their boundaries. Personally, I find it quite stupid and hope they fine the hell out of anyone caught protesting inside the stadium. I have no problem with players protesting on their own time, but when you're at work, conduct yourself appropriately. Even though they're overpaid, self-entitled twits, they need to remember they are employees on gameday. Why is that so hard to understand. Your employer is entitled to give you rules of conduct while at work.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

K

He would have been a good fantasy pick up...

for what?

 

[joevol33]

I'm perplexed... what are you talking about?

Have you really missed all the racist Joe jokes? Recap: a way while back someone confused me with the other Joe who occasionally posted in here. He had made some comments, and I got the blame and the nickname.

 

[volbeast33]

Kapernick was far better than the trash the league rolled out there this past year. They instead chose to play the safe political and commercial move over any team signing him. My disgust with that is that they could have at least been honest. No way the likes of Nathan Peterman and the rest of the bums rolled out there were better than Kapernick.

He would have been a good fantasy pick up...

He would not have been a good fantasy pickup.... In Kaepernicks last season he was in the bottom 3 of QBs in passing yards per game and completed less than 60% of his passes.

Yes he is better than Peterman but Nathan was a draft pick that the team feels has potential. Colin is a backup QB and nothing more at this point.

You want one of two things from your back up QB.....

1. Quiet veteran leadership for cheap money

2. Young guy with potential for cheap money.

Colin offers neither of those things
If it was cam newton, he would not be out of the league.

 

[Biopsyman]

Supposedly, players are already trying to come up with another way to protest as they feel the NFL has overstepped their boundaries. Personally, I find it quite stupid and hope they fine the hell out of anyone caught protesting inside the stadium. I have no problem with players protesting on their own time, but when you're at work, conduct yourself appropriately. Even though they're overpaid, self-entitled twits, they need to remember they are employees on gameday. Why is that so hard to understand. Your employer is entitled to give you rules of conduct while at work.

Well you know NFL players have such a hard discriminatory life

 

[Orange_Crush]

If they do NOT expect these benefits that they are paying into, what does that make them?

Victims of authoritarian socialism.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Marcus, my belief is that we have a lot more in common with each other than not. Liberals have tried to make us focus on all of our differences because that plays into their identity politics game. I think the overwhelming majority of blacks, whites, Christians, Hindus, Jews. Muslims, Chinese, Russians, Latinos want a simple life, an honest days work, for an honest days pay, a warm meal with the family as often as possible, and a loving, supportive partner to share their lives with.

But instead of this, we would rather argue about petty stuff like flags, what someone chooses to ingest in their bodies, how much money does their neighbor make, and all kinds of other nonsense that has absolutely diddly źsquat to do with our individual lives.

<Slow clap standing ovation>

 

[NashVol11]

Supposedly, players are already trying to come up with another way to protest as they feel the NFL has overstepped their boundaries. Personally, I find it quite stupid and hope they fine the hell out of anyone caught protesting inside the stadium. I have no problem with players protesting on their own time, but when you're at work, conduct yourself appropriately. Even though they're overpaid, self-entitled twits, they need to remember they are employees on gameday. Why is that so hard to understand. Your employer is entitled to give you rules of conduct while at work.

There’s not a rule against protesting during an NFL game. Last year’s protest was within the rules, and I would imagine that this one would be too

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Have you really missed all the racist Joe jokes? Recap: a way while back someone confused me with the other Joe who occasionally posted in here. He had made some comments, and I got the blame and the nickname.

I missed all of that. First I've heard of it.

 

[n_huffhines]

Have you really missed all the racist Joe jokes? Recap: a way while back someone confused me with the other Joe who occasionally posted in here. He had made some comments, and I got the blame and the nickname.

You narrowly escaped being appropriately called "pervert" Joe, so thank your lucky stars

 

[T-TownVol]

There’s not a rule against protesting during an NFL game. Last year’s protest was within the rules, and I would imagine that this one would be too

There should not HAVE to be a rule against it.........protest on your own time or GTFO.......they have every right to protest whatever they want to protest, just do it on their own time......not when you are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to play and to represent the brand.....

 

[volfanhill]

There should not HAVE to be a rule against it.........protest on your own time or GTFO.......they have every right to protest whatever they want to protest, just do it on their own time......not when you are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to play and to represent the brand.....

It’s a collectively bargained sport. So yes there does HAVE to be a rule. You notice they haven’t threatened to fine players for it? It’s becuase they can’t. Hasn’t been agreed to by the players union.

 

[T-TownVol]

It’s a collectively bargained sport. So yes there does HAVE to be a rule. You notice they haven’t threatened to fine players for it? It’s becuase they can’t. Hasn’t been agreed to by the players union.

I said "should not"......I realize the owners have given away the farm to these athletes......

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Hmmm.

A) agree the NFL forced the issue but I would suggest he could have worked the angle for a bit and then just said “ hey I’m doing what they told me to”. And also to be fair to Kapernick he didn’t ask for this. It was blown out of proportion by the media. But I still submit he made a tactical blunder and could have handled it better.

B) so the team was correct in forcing a decorated combat veteran who served multiple tours with the Army Rangers to chose between adhering to team rules or breaking his own moral code of conduct? Also I don’t think it was a team rule violation I think the team just wanted to make a unified stance. Nor do I think he got any blow back from it, none I’m aware of anyway could be wrong. I believe he felt worse about it than the team did.

But as you’ve said this is all just wildly blown out of proportion. I agree with that. It never should have happened in the first place. You choose to shrug it off. I’d like to see it gone. I view it as inciting a response in an improper venue.

In the end we both get what we want. Now the players can A) attend the anthem and stand or B) choose to stay in the locker room. Player choice between options and able to still make their statement in a noninciting fashion. If any player chooses to attend and kneel he is acting in a flagrant provocative fashion and should be punished accordingly as far as I’m concerned. That’s just my opinion. I do realize you feel we should just ignore the whole thing. That’s cool too.

Now I’m gonna go play some XBox.

It is a privately owned business. If the NFL can prevent Kapernick from kneeling they can certainly set the policy for all players to stay in the locker room. It is simply the other side of the coin.

 

[southgatevol]

Maybe they will go on strike again. I am sure there are a lot of replacements who could use the paycheck.

 

[n_huffhines]

Maybe they will go on strike again. I am sure there are a lot of replacements who could use the paycheck.

Then the owners would really feel it in their wallets.