The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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Rasputin_Vol said:
JMO, but I think it is hypocritical to stand for the flag, but not have the same level of outrage when the Constitution is under attack all the time and I don't see you or the people that served and gave an oath to uphold the Constitution get anywhere near as upset or bent out of shape for those actions that actually have a direct impact on your life, liberties and property.

In other words, I think it is low hanging fruit for the masses to be outraged and distracted about. Some guy playing a game on Sundays not standing for the flag has zero impact on your life, liberty or property, yet we see constant attacks on the Constitution all of the time and no one on that side does anything.
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It’s also hypocritical to do a protest to get a reaction..... get that reaction and then complain about the reaction received.
 
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luthervol said:
True, but beyond the obvious.

Admirable, naive, foolish, brave, .....?
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Committing what is basically an act of suicide? I'm not without sympathy, but I'd probably lean more toward foolish. Find a better way to protest would be my advice.
 
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Weezer said:
The Constitution is considered a living document because it's designed to be amended with the times. Factor in when questions are raised about interpretation, the courts decide. Ras, the Constitution is far more than just a symbol. Far more complex than just a symbol. People do get outraged when it's attacked, but it was designed to be challenged. A symbol is something simple, meant to inspire. Whether it's the anthem, or the flag, or whatever else, it's meant to inspire pride in one's country, and unity.
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A symbol is just that... a symbol. Not the real thing.

The rule of law is real. Violations of that law have real consequences.

Someone not showing respect to a symbol has no real world consequences... outside of an azz whipping from a zealot.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s also hypocritical to do a protest to get a reaction..... get that reaction and then complain about the reaction received.
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I'm not here defending Kaepernick.

I'm mostly directing my outrage at the hypocrisy. If only we had this same level of outrage when REAL crimes against our Republic are being committed. Instead, we have a bunch of right wingers that want to virtue signal and show how big of a patriot they are because some guy on Sunday playing a kid's game didn't properly honor a symbol.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A symbol is just that... a symbol. Not the real thing.

The rule of law is real. Violations of that law have real consequences.

Someone not showing respect to a symbol has no real world consequences... outside of an azz whipping from a zealot.
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A symbol is as powerful as the meaning you give to it. I was raised in a military household so I give much meaning to the flag and the anthem.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not here defending Kaepernick.

I'm mostly directing my outrage at the hypocrisy. If only we had this same level of outrage when REAL crimes against our Republic are being committed. Instead, we have a bunch of right wingers that want to virtue signal and show how big of a patriot they are because some guy on Sunday playing a kid's game didn't properly honor a symbol.
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It is not just right wingers..... look at all of America..... even what they are protesting against..... they are not protesting injustice....they are doing emotion based responses..... they don’t even attempt to what on the facts of the case.... just look at the mike brown case.
 
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Weezer said:
A symbol is as powerful as the meaning you give to it. I was raised in a military household so I give much meaning to the flag and the anthem.
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Notice that they make an oath to pay allegiance to the Constitution, as well, not a flag.

Oath of office - Wikipedia

In the United States, the oath of office for the President is specified in the Constitution (Article II, Section 1):

"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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At the start of each new U.S. Congress, in January of every odd-numbered year, newly elected or re-elected Members of Congress – the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate – must recite an oath:

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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In the United States, federal judges are required to take two oaths. The first oath is this:

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as (office) under the Constitution and laws of the United States. [So help me God.][80]

The second is the same oath that members of Congress take:

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. [So help me God.]
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United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office - Wikipedia

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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volbeast33 said:
It is not just right wingers..... look at all of America..... even what they are protesting against..... they are not protesting injustice....they are doing emotion based responses..... they don’t even attempt to what on the facts of the case.... just look at the mike brown case.
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Just because the commies and leftists engage in emotional sensationalism, that doesn't give license to the right wing snowflakes to do the same.
 
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Weezer said:
Committing what is basically an act of suicide? I'm not without sympathy, but I'd probably lean more toward foolish. Find a better way to protest would be my advice.
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They could hire Luther as a consultant on how to do a silent protest.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not here defending Kaepernick.

I'm mostly directing my outrage at the hypocrisy. If only we had this same level of outrage when REAL crimes against our Republic are being committed. Instead, we have a bunch of right wingers that want to virtue signal and show how big of a patriot they are because some guy on Sunday playing a kid's game didn't properly honor a symbol.
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Though I don't like what he done, I've never argued his right to do so. The only thing I call bull on is his timing. He waited till he was losing his job to do all of this, then people use that as an excuse when no one wants him? He sure didn't have a problem with police when he was the hotshot, but he starts playing worse and getting replaced, then it's injustice?
 
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Weezer said:
The Constitution is considered a living document because it's designed to be amended with the times. Factor in when questions are raised about interpretation, the courts decide. Ras, the Constitution is far more than just a symbol. Far more complex than just a symbol. People do get outraged when it's attacked, but it was designed to be challenged. A symbol is something simple, meant to inspire. Whether it's the anthem, or the flag, or whatever else, it's meant to inspire pride in one's country, and unity.
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And I don’t see the point in telling people to show pride if it’s not what they feel. If someone sees their friends killed by police and thinks the country needs to do more to deserve that pride, I don’t think there is anything “inappropriate” about expressing that. The alternative is faking pride so Republicans won’t yell at you.
 
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joevol33 said:
Though I don't like what he done, I've never argued his right to do so. The only thing I call bull on is his timing. He waited till he was losing his job to do all of this, then people use that as an excuse when no one wants him? He sure didn't have a problem with police when he was the hotshot, but he starts playing worse and getting replaced, then it's injustice?
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Fair argument about his motives.

What does that have to do with the military or not being a patriot?
 
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