The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

Remember yesterday when you were screaming you were a better patriot because you didn't support Trump? Here's the rub, some believe standing for the anthem is a patriotic duty honoring those who have fought and died for this country in the past, and those who continue to fight and risk their lives for this country today. You can disagree with that, it's okay. After all, the right to have an opinion and express it, no matter how idiotic, is part of what makes this country great. But simply opposing a differing opinion does not equate to that opinion being stupid. How about you actually formulate strong arguments rather than resorting to playground taunts on intelligence to support your stance?

Now, this is just my take mind you, but here's how I see it. I'm one of those who hold the opinion that standing for the anthem is more about honoring those who have fought and died for our country. You know, those who gave of themselves so we could enjoy the freedoms we have. So when a football player making millions of dollars to play a game decides he wants to "protest" by kneeling during the anthem, it feels like a slap in the face to the memory of those who should be honored. Mind you, they have every right to make that choice, mostly because the people they're disrespecting fought to give them that right, but is it proper to choose that moment to do so? JMO, but I don't think so.


I don't feel people being outraged by the choice of venue and in return expressing their opinion is in anyway "stupid". The have the same right to express their opinion as the NFL players you're defending have the right to protest. Remember, people fought and died to give them that right.


Again, jmo, but the fact so many are willing to spit on the heritage of our country is one of the problems I see facing our future. We enjoy many rights, but it's up to us to employ those rights in a responsible, thought out way. Abusing those rights does not serve the common good.

Oh hell yes!
 
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Maybe my problem is that I pronounce them the same way. My mom grew up in Rockwood.
Side note: Does anyone refer to a garden hose as a hose pipe? I do.

My wife has given me grief for 28 years. Then it appeared in one of the Harry Potter books and I realized it was just a British thing.

The other day one of the coaches on my son's football team said hose pipe. I asked him where he was from. Turns out he was born in Sevierville. (how much of an exclusively TN thing is using the term hose pipe?)

Nope, Alabama and Georgia also. It's a southern thang. I use it as well.
 
Country, family and religion have been under attack for over 60 years. Yet, no where near the same level of venom over those violations as you would see if someone burned a flag or didn't pledge allegiance. You would get an azz whipping for disrespecting a flag in public. But if you remove God from schools or the 10 Commandments from a building, split up the nuclear family and promote alternative lifestyles, and attack property rights and civil liberties, these same folks wouldn't crush a grape.

FIfy......since LBJ times.
 
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I'm guessing you never question the narrowness of your perspective.

It's not the narrowness of his (our) perspective, it's the all inclusiveness of yours. I could give two ****s about what someone in Iran or NK does. They don't live in our country with our Constitution. I quite honestly do not care. And what they do has no direct correlation to what the NFL players are doing/did.
 
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I don't think kneeling during the Star Spangled Banner is right and I wish it wasn't an issue. There are better ways for African-Americans to protest the very real problem of police brutality and excessive use of force which exists in their communities throughout the country (see Milwaukee Buck Sterling Brown for the most recent example).

However, I did find it interesting that a decorated former NYPD detective, legendary for standing up to corruption among his superiors and for his whistle-blowing, said this when giving a speech in Brooklyn recently, in full support of Colin Kaepernik and against police brutality and corruption:

"I am here to support anyone who has the courage to stand up against injustice anywhere in this country and the world. An atmosphere continues to exist in our law enforcement departments where the honest officer fears the dishonest officer, until the opposite is true, the public is not protected or well-served." - Frank Serpico (NYPD Medal of Honor recipient in 1972 and Korean War Veteran)

As much as Fox News wants to pretend that police brutality, overreach and corruption doesn't exist... one of the best ever NYPD officers just said that it does and things still need to change.

Did I miss it or did he never mention CK?
 
Remember yesterday when you were screaming you were a better patriot because you didn't support Trump? Here's the rub, some believe standing for the anthem is a patriotic duty honoring those who have fought and died for this country in the past, and those who continue to fight and risk their lives for this country today. You can disagree with that, it's okay. After all, the right to have an opinion and express it, no matter how idiotic, is part of what makes this country great. But simply opposing a differing opinion does not equate to that opinion being stupid. How about you actually formulate strong arguments rather than resorting to playground taunts on intelligence to support your stance?

Now, this is just my take mind you, but here's how I see it. I'm one of those who hold the opinion that standing for the anthem is more about honoring those who have fought and died for our country. You know, those who gave of themselves so we could enjoy the freedoms we have. So when a football player making millions of dollars to play a game decides he wants to "protest" by kneeling during the anthem, it feels like a slap in the face to the memory of those who should be honored. Mind you, they have every right to make that choice, mostly because the people they're disrespecting fought to give them that right, but is it proper to choose that moment to do so? JMO, but I don't think so.


I don't feel people being outraged by the choice of venue and in return expressing their opinion is in anyway "stupid". The have the same right to express their opinion as the NFL players you're defending have the right to protest. Remember, people fought and died to give them that right.


Again, jmo, but the fact so many are willing to spit on the heritage of our country is one of the problems I see facing our future. We enjoy many rights, but it's up to us to employ those rights in a responsible, thought out way. Abusing those rights does not serve the common good.

With all due respect to those that have served, but we haven't fought a war to protect our freedoms or for anything that is in the best interests of average Americans since the Civil War, and I may be generous by including it... possibly as far back as the War of 1812.
 
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Not standing for 3 lousy minutes to think about the sacrifices, show honor and respect... it is ridiculous IMO. I remember how players would just go sit on the bench, then they spun it to start kneeling because they got their asses really handed to them.

They'll just have more boycotts and less viewership, and the players that stay in the locker room will get boo'd...nothing will ever change, but, is what it is.

NFL yawwnnn, haven't watched a game in years. They may be on pay-per-view soon.
 
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Fox News hits a new low: Last night when reporting on the cancellation of the Eagles' visit to the White House, Fox News showed pictures of Eagles' players kneeling, including one of Zach Ertz (who is white). In conjunction with the report, this clearly implied that they were kneeling during the national anthem. The only problem is that (contrary to what Trump has claimed) not one Eagles' player kneeled for the playing of the national anthem last season. Those pictures were of Eagles' players (including Ertz who is p***ed off) kneeling during a prayer before the game.

Any chance that Fox News clarifies that report? Of course not. That would mean that they had some class.
 
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Fox News hits a new low: Last night when reporting on the cancellation of the Eagles' visit to the White House, Fox News showed pictures of Eagles' players kneeling, including one of Zach Ertz (who is white). In conjunction with the report, this clearly implied that they were kneeling during the national anthem. The only problem is that (contrary to what Trump has claimed) not one Eagles' player kneeled for the playing of the national anthem last season. Those pictures were of Eagles' players (including Ertz who is p***ed off) kneeling during a prayer after the game, which has always been customary around the league.

Any chance that Fox News clarifies that report? Of course not. That would mean that they had some class.

Man you watch a lot of Fox News.
 
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Fox News hits a new low: Last night when reporting on the cancellation of the Eagles' visit to the White House, Fox News showed pictures of Eagles' players kneeling, including one of Zach Ertz (who is white). In conjunction with the report, this clearly implied that they were kneeling during the national anthem. The only problem is that (contrary to what Trump has claimed) not one Eagles' player kneeled for the playing of the national anthem last season. Those pictures were of Eagles' players (including Ertz who is p***ed off) kneeling during a prayer before the game.

Any chance that Fox News clarifies that report? Of course not. That would mean that they had some class.

Are you saying Fox News is.... Fake?
 
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Are you saying Fox News is.... Fake?

Yeah, I guess that's the word. No way they didn't know what they were doing either. They had some young intern assigned with the task of coming up with pictures of Eagles players kneeling for the national anthem by a producer who just assumed that they had players who had done it. The intern couldn't find any and thought he/she could get away with this... Lazy, unprofessional garbage = Fox News.
 
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Aren't they destroying CNN and MSNBC in ratings?

The point is honesty not ratings... but last I checked they weren't destroying MSNBC in prime time - though they probably do have a lead. CNN and MSNBC split viewership from the left while Fox gets all the viewership from the right.

And again, ratings don't = integrity.
 
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