The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ya I get that.
I just think it’s wasted breath. They get to feel better about themselves while not actually accomplishing anything. They’re talking a knee to highlight a problem that everyone is painfully aware exists.

Not once have I heard anyone of the protesters offer a solution.

Nor has the opposing side. During all of this nonsense, if "everyone", meaning the kneelers and the right wing snowflakes, are aware of the problem, why is the burden only on them?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Nor has the opposing side. During all of this nonsense, if "everyone", meaning the kneelers and the right wing snowflakes, are aware of the problem, why is the burden only on them?

By everyone I mean everyone. Even the left wing nut jobs are tired of the kneeling

 

[Orangeslice13]

I think the solution is to double pay while at the same time triple the standard of behavior.

Problems are budgeting. Where would the money for pay and training come from?

But we agree that there needs to be a serious change in standard of behavior for police.

 

[Squints]

Nor has the opposing side. During all of this nonsense, if "everyone", meaning the kneelers and the right wing snowflakes, are aware of the problem, why is the burden only on them?

There comes a time when a sack is more useful than just nutting in a broad, no?

I can play this game.

Oh, and no one touched my comment that has been re-bumped. Why do you reckon that is? Hard to refute, ain’t it?

If it’s not, then lay it out for us. But be careful, I was purposefully methodical about how I presented it. This argument isn’t about racism, so if that’s all you got, don’t waste my time. Form an argument that entirely refutes my post but renders your stance consistent, not contradicting mine.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I think the solution is to double pay while at the same time triple the standard of behavior.

Problems are budgeting. Where would the money for pay and training come from?

But we agree that there needs to be a serious change in standard of behavior for police.

If weed becomes legal and driverless cars become the norm police departments are going to have a serious come to Jesus moment.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There comes a time when a sack is more useful than just nutting in a broad, no?

I can play this game.

Oh, and no one touched my comment that has been re-bumped. Why do you reckon that is? Hard to refute, ain’t it?

If it’s not, then lay it out for us. But be careful, I was purposefully methodical about how I presented it. This argument isn’t about racism, so if that’s all you got, don’t waste my time. Form an argument that entirely refutes my post but renders your stance consistent, not contradicting mine.

I replied to it.

 

[Squints]

I replied to it.

Missed it. My bad.

How did I troll myself? Go back and read the opposing arguments and the context with which I replied. As I’ve said before, IDGAS if they kneel until callouses are worn onto their knees, you still didn’t refute the contextual argument I made. Try again.

The context is:

Protests are meant to make people uncomfortable, regardless of venue, audience, etc.

I dare you to contextually use this, and refute my argument. I really want to see it, and I mean that.

 

[Weezer]

Seems like everyone forgets the idea of a protest is to make people uncomfortable

Shouldn't it be the people you're protesting against that you make feel uncomfortable? In this case, that would be the police, not the fans. I totally understand wanting to make a difference. I get drawing attention to what you perceive as a wrong. What I don't get is trying to force your opinion on everyone else. And when it becomes a week after week thing, that's what it becomes.

People go to football games to escape from real life, if even for just a few hours. They don't go to see players trying to make a political statement. It takes away from the game experience, which is the reason people go to begin with.

 

[Weezer]

Honestly, imo, it's gone from a "protest" to making a show of one's self in front of the camera. You know when the camera pans the crowd and there's always at least one person who knows they're on camera so they decide to act a fool? Yeah, that's what it's become to me.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Honestly, imo, it's gone from a "protest" to making a show of one's self in front of the camera. You know when the camera pans the crowd and there's always at least one person who knows they're on camera so they decide to act a fool? Yeah, that's what it's become to me.

It was never a protest.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It was never a protest.

It's amazing it's turned into this.

You guys might think I'm crazy.

It's all Kap's girl and her power of the V. When we all look back on this, that's what we're going to find out.

 

[volbeast33]

The problem is not pardoning people. The protests were centered around cops that behave without feeling the consequences of their actions. If anything, its not pardons they are protesting, it is that justice be served and cops actually go to jail for their crimes.

How do you fix that iyo? If a cop is found innocent then everyone is upset even though the majority of people dont see all of the evidence.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Missed it. My bad.

How did I troll myself? Go back and read the opposing arguments and the context with which I replied. As I’ve said before, IDGAS if they kneel until callouses are worn onto their knees, you still didn’t refute the contextual argument I made. Try again.

The context is:

Protests are meant to make people uncomfortable, regardless of venue, audience, etc.

I dare you to contextually use this, and refute my argument. I really want to see it, and I mean that.

I answered your question the way you posed it. In your example, the protest had nothing to do with the KKK, just like the NFL kneelers protest has nothing to do with the military.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Shouldn't it be the people you're protesting against that you make feel uncomfortable? In this case, that would be the police, not the fans. I totally understand wanting to make a difference. I get drawing attention to what you perceive as a wrong. What I don't get is trying to force your opinion on everyone else. And when it becomes a week after week thing, that's what it becomes.

People go to football games to escape from real life, if even for just a few hours. They don't go to see players trying to make a political statement. It takes away from the game experience, which is the reason people go to begin with.

The fans play a part in this. The fans are cops... or at least most of them are. The fans are the ones that are on these juries that acquit cops for some of the most outlandish of acts. The fans are the ones that vote in these politicians that create these stupid azz laws that require the goon squads in blue to enforce them.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Honestly, imo, it's gone from a "protest" to making a show of one's self in front of the camera. You know when the camera pans the crowd and there's always at least one person who knows they're on camera so they decide to act a fool? Yeah, that's what it's become to me.

Although I agree with you that this entire episode is a farce (on both sides of the argument), I take issue with you using the word "become". I think deep down, you never took the grievances seriously from the very beginning. For it to have "become" something else, you would have had to feel one way about it originally and then changed your mind.

I don't think most people take police violence or police corruption seriously in this country. They are sheep to the uniformed govt officers. Support the troops and support the men in blue...

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The fans play a part in this. The fans are cops... or at least most of them are. The fans are the ones that are on these juries that acquit cops for some of the most outlandish of acts. The fans are the ones that vote in these politicians that create these stupid azz laws that require the goon squads in blue to enforce them.

Most of the fans are cops?

 

[Squints]

I answered your question the way you posed it. In your example, the protest had nothing to do with the KKK, just like the NFL kneelers protest has nothing to do with the military.

No, you didn’t answer the context of my question. You’re dancing around it, wittingly or not.

The outrage caused by my example would be enormous, and you know it. But (-here’s the context-), protests are meant to offend. Why disproportionately offend a faction that the protest isn’t even against, just like the NFL, its fans, and the military? I purposefully used a dumbass example to illustrate how ridiculous the protests in the NFL are (re: I was purposefully methodical). If you have a problem with police, take it to them, local constituents, etc., not this platform. Much like in my example, don’t take to the streets of a black community, dressed as grand wizards, to protest an economic condition half a world away.

This isn’t that hard of a concept, and this is the third iteration.

 

[NashVol11]

No, you didn’t answer the context of my question. You’re dancing around it, wittingly or not.

The outrage caused by my example would be enormous, and you know it. But (-here’s the context-), protests are meant to offend. Why disproportionately offend a faction that the protest isn’t even against, just like the NFL, its fans, and the military? I purposefully used a dumbass example to illustrate how ridiculous the protests in the NFL are (re: I was purposefully methodical). If you have a problem with police, take it to them, local constituents, etc., not this platform. Much like in my example, don’t take to the streets of a black community, dressed as grand wizards, to protest an economic condition half a world away.

This isn’t that hard of a concept, and this is the third iteration.

There’s a difference between “I don’t agree with your protest” and “I shouldn’t have to encounter your protest,” which is essentially what Weezer said. People probably ignored your question because it doesn’t add anything to the conversation, which makes it funny that you spent 5 posts afterward crowing about how you “purposefully” said something so exceptionally clever.

 

[Squints]

There’s a difference between “I don’t agree with your protest” and “I shouldn’t have to encounter your protest,” which is essentially what Weezer said. People probably ignored your question because it doesn’t add anything to the conversation, which makes it funny that you spent 5 posts afterward crowing about how you “purposefully” said something so exceptionally clever.

I beat Weezer to the punch (read a few posts above his, a few pages back). His comment echoed my original post about the use of this platform, at least in context. Once again, instead of providing a cogent retort, all you can say is, “it doesn’t add anything to the conversation.” Thanks for proving my point.

Im done with it. You can’t answer it, so move on.

 

[NashVol11]

I beat Weezer to the punch (read a few posts above his, a few pages back). His comment echoed my original post about the use of this platform, at least in context. Once again, instead of providing a cogent retort, all you can say is, “it doesn’t add anything to the conversation.” Thanks for proving my point.

Im done with it. You can’t answer it, so move on.

It doesn’t. You’re trying to illustrate some slippery slope argument about how “making people uncomfortable” is dangerously unlimited, but there’s a limiting principle already, and it’s the law.

Walking around in white sheets is fine until it crosses over into hate speech or a tort claim, just like everything Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church do. It’s not that hard to figure out.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I beat Weezer to the punch (read a few posts above his, a few pages back). His comment echoed my original post about the use of this platform, at least in context. Once again, instead of providing a cogent retort, all you can say is, “it doesn’t add anything to the conversation.” Thanks for proving my point.

Im done with it. You can’t answer it, so move on.

Not our fault we don't understand the question you are asking. I told you clearly on two different posts how your analogy falls right in line with the sentiment of most people on that side of the argument.

You don't like my answer. Then ask better questions...

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Not our fault we don't understand the question you are asking. I told you clearly on two different posts how your analogy falls right in line with the sentiment of most people on that side of the argument.

You don't like my answer. Then ask better questions...

Nobody answered my question. Most NFL fans are cops?

 

[Squints]

Not our fault we don't understand the question you are asking. I told you clearly on two different posts how your analogy falls right in line with the sentiment of most people on that side of the argument.

You don't like my answer. Then ask better questions...

Cop out^^^

Don’t deflect your inability to answer as me improperly “wording” a question. I have been very clear and no one has given an answer to what I asked. That leaves but one conclusion, your argument(s) for the blistered knees holds no weight. If it does hold weight, then faux klansmen should be able to march through Orange Mound, uncontested and unabated, to voice their concerns over an economic measure they disagree with in China. And I’m not talking about their legal right to do anything, as they are legally protected to do it, I’m talking about the uproar and misrepresentations it would receive. That’s the argument you’re making for the wounded knees, that they’re misunderstood and that it’s over “this,” not over “that.” If they’re so misrepresented and misunderstood, then there wouldn’t be as much as an audible mouse fart if this scenario took place, right?

You nor anyone else making the argument for the kneelers would stand for that ****, and we both know it. Cacophonous shrieks of, “eff these damn racist, divisive, red hat wearing fother muckers,” would abound.

Ultimately, I’ve laid your hypocrisy at your feet. You know it, I know it, and anyone who reads this knows it. You would’ve been better off saying - meh, this is how I feel, but I can’t answer that. I’d respect that much more than you contorting and twisting what I said, only so you can avoid giving an answer. I get it, you didn’t want to be exposed, but now you have.

 

[Weezer]

The fans play a part in this. The fans are cops... or at least most of them are. The fans are the ones that are on these juries that acquit cops for some of the most outlandish of acts. The fans are the ones that vote in these politicians that create these stupid azz laws that require the goon squads in blue to enforce them.

Do NFL players not vote?

 

[Biopsyman]

Do NFL players not vote?

Yes.. for collective bargaining