The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[Septic]

If they were so concerned with police brutality, they’d proactively advocate for change in the communities experiencing it. How many have sought change during the off-season, by taking their qualms to the root of the problem?

I’ve asked this before without an answer - they don’t do this, why?

Maybe because their antics have nothing to do with what they’re saying it does, only using a platform, which they don’t deserve, to garner attention.

Completely agree.

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[BeecherVol]

They have a platform because they worked hard to get where they are. There's not a single thing undeserved about it.

Everyone does. Some are higher making them more visible.

Most have no more clue how to use them no different than those seldom seen or heard. This case is no different.

 

[Squints]

They have a platform in that millions of people and several media outlets follow them and pay attention to them, because they are well-known public figures. They 100% earned that. Millions of people pay attention to the President as well, no matter who it is, and in doing what it took to win the Presidency, Donald Trump earned that platform as well.

Neither of them had fame bestowed upon them, they made themselves famous. It's not that difficult, but feel free to rant on about whatever the hell else you want.

Feel free to keep spinning on your head, Septic part deux.

My comments aren’t hard to understand, but considering your proclivities for being dense, I’m not at all surprised you’re struggling.

Understand this, I don’t care if they kneel until the rapture, but be honest about what is being protested. They aren’t protesting police brutality/oppression, IDGAS how many times they (the media, you, etc.) say it.

No one holding sincere convictions for something they’re passionate about behaves in this manner.

As I’ve said before, it is on par with vegetarians protesting against meat-eaters, but doing so outside the doors of a Green Giant vegetable plant. It’s stucking fupid!

Now, if you don’t understand that, then move on. Better yet, if this type of advocacy appeals to you, perhaps you should get off your ass and do something about it. Personally, police brutality isn’t even on my radar, simply because it is a “hot button” topic that gives SJWs a reason to be moist. Does it happen? Sure. Is it a common occurrence across the landscape of thousands of departments/jurisdictions? No.

 

[NashVol11]

Feel free to keep spinning on your head, Septic part deux.

My comments aren’t hard to understand, but considering your proclivities for being dense, I’m not at all surprised you’re struggling.

Understand this, I don’t care if they kneel until the rapture, but be honest about what is being protested. They aren’t protesting police brutality/oppression, IDGAS how many times they (the media, you, etc.) say it.

No one holding sincere convictions for something they’re passionate about behaves in this manner.

As I’ve said before, it is on par with vegetarians protesting against meat-eaters, but doing so outside the doors of a Green Giant vegetable plant. It’s stucking fupid!

Now, if you don’t understand that, then move on. Better yet, if this type of advocacy appeals to you, perhaps you should get off your ass and do something about it. Personally, police brutality isn’t even on my radar, simply because it is a “hot button” topic that gives SJWs a reason to be moist. Does it happen? Sure. Is it a common occurrence across the landscape of thousands of departments/jurisdictions? No.

You really took my last sentence to heart. I would try to change the subject too if I were you, but the players earned their fame and thus, their platform. If your hard work makes you famous, it's fame that you "deserve," whether or not people are happy about it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I was generally curious what you thought given some of your previous takes in this thread. I'm not implying anything.

Not sure what comments sparked your interest, but in summary, the players protest is unproductive, superficial, and misguided... and then turned into a way to just pizz off Trump.

On the other hand, these right wing snowflakes react to the bell like Pavlov's dog and immediately associate the flag with military, not knowing (or probably even caring) that they have been conditioned to think this way by their govt and media accomplices.

They have succeeded in making this about them now, regardless of whether they intentionally trying to disrespected the military or not.

No argument from me about it being a virtue signal contest between the two sides. The players want to posture themselves as caring about "the hood" and the right wing snowflakes want to show how big of a patriot they are.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Just play the damn game.....no one is buying a ticket to watch the players kneel or sit

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Now, if you don’t understand that, then move on. Better yet, if this type of advocacy appeals to you, perhaps you should get off your ass and do something about it. Personally, police brutality isn’t even on my radar, simply because it is a “hot button” topic that gives SJWs a reason to be moist. Does it happen? Sure. Is it a common occurrence across the landscape of thousands of departments/jurisdictions? No.

This is a silly statement. Or, possibly a comment made out of ignorance. Not sure if you're being funny or showing your lack of intelligence. But "police brutality" can take many forms. From something as violent as a shooting of an unarmed man to something as mild as a TSA agent at the airport searching your luggage or molesting your daughter/sister/wife searching for reefer.

 

[BeecherVol]

Not sure what comments sparked your interest, but in summary, the players protest is unproductive, superficial, and misguided... and then turned into a way to just pizz off Trump.

On the other hand, these right wing snowflakes react to the bell like Pavlov's dog and immediately associate the flag with military, not knowing (or probably even caring) that they have been conditioned to think this way by their govt and media accomplices.



No argument from me about it being a virtue signal contest between the two sides. The players want to posture themselves as caring about "the hood" and the right wing snowflakes want to show how big of a patriot they are.

Fair enough.

Actually not too far apart.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Just play the damn game.....no one is buying a ticket to watch the players kneel or sit

That's funny. We just had everyone in our fantasy league sign up and we're having our draft next week. We haven't seen interest drop off or anyone complaining. Most people I guess are actually concerned about what happens after the flag waving than some of the snowflakes.

Not sure if some of these snowflakes are really fans anyways. Most of the ones that post in here are proud to state they haven't watched a game in X amount of years. Hmmm... but they are complaining about the players shoving the issue down their throats. I find that interesting considering the only way it could be shoved down their throat is if they actually watch the games in the first place...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

That's funny. We just had everyone in our fantasy league sign up and we're having our draft next week. We haven't seen interest drop off or anyone complaining. Most people I guess are actually concerned about what happens after the flag waving than some of the snowflakes.

Not sure if some of these snowflakes are really fans anyways. Most of the ones that post in here are proud to state they haven't watched a game in X amount of years. Hmmm... but they are complaining about the players shoving the issue down their throats. I find that interesting considering the only way it could be shoved down their throat is if they actually watch the games in the first place...

You are absolutely right. I didn't watch any last year and probably won't this year either.

 

[Carl Pickens]

That's funny. We just had everyone in our fantasy league sign up and we're having our draft next week. We haven't seen interest drop off or anyone complaining. Most people I guess are actually concerned about what happens after the flag waving than some of the snowflakes.

Not sure if some of these snowflakes are really fans anyways. Most of the ones that post in here are proud to state they haven't watched a game in X amount of years. Hmmm... but they are complaining about the players shoving the issue down their throats. I find that interesting considering the only way it could be shoved down their throat is if they actually watch the games in the first place...

I think they have better options to get their message out and be taken seriously without alienating a sizable segment of the fan base.
It's a free country, but they're only hurting themselves.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think they have better options to get their message out and be taken seriously without alienating a sizable segment of the fan base.
It's a free country, but they're only hurting themselves.

Yes. By continuing the course they are telling me this is no longer about their original concerns and more about people not liking their method.
Its the biggest reason why the original message hasn't and won't gain traction.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I think they have better options to get their message out and be taken seriously without alienating a sizable segment of the fan base.
It's a free country, but they're only hurting themselves.

Meh, I don't think anyone would be pleased with whatever type of protest they could have come up with, to be honest. I just don't think police brutality resonates with most people.

 

[Squints]

This is a silly statement. Or, possibly a comment made out of ignorance. Not sure if you're being funny or showing your lack of intelligence. But "police brutality" can take many forms. From something as violent as a shooting of an unarmed man to something as mild as a TSA agent at the airport searching your luggage or molesting your daughter/sister/wife searching for reefer.

Why is it silly? It’s honest. If you’re enamored with it, that’s your decision. It’s not on my radar because I don’t care, and it is not a rampant occurrence like you and certain factions of the media want everyone to believe.

Further, if having your bag scanned/checked is an issue, don’t fly. This is very basic stuff. Flying, like driving, is a privilege, not a right. I must’ve missed the section of the Constitution that details airport security and baggage checks.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Feel free to keep spinning on your head, Septic part deux.

My comments aren’t hard to understand, but considering your proclivities for being dense, I’m not at all surprised you’re struggling.

Understand this, I don’t care if they kneel until the rapture, but be honest about what is being protested. They aren’t protesting police brutality/oppression, IDGAS how many times they (the media, you, etc.) say it.

No one holding sincere convictions for something they’re passionate about behaves in this manner.

As I’ve said before, it is on par with vegetarians protesting against meat-eaters, but doing so outside the doors of a Green Giant vegetable plant. It’s stucking fupid!

Now, if you don’t understand that, then move on. Better yet, if this type of advocacy appeals to you, perhaps you should get off your ass and do something about it. Personally, police brutality isn’t even on my radar, simply because it is a “hot button” topic that gives SJWs a reason to be moist. Does it happen? Sure. Is it a common occurrence across the landscape of thousands of departments/jurisdictions? No.

Let me hop in. You are obviously unaware of what they are doing on their own time with regard to their issue. Your Green Giant analogy is just plain stupid. They are protesting a condition in America which they feel denigrates the country as a whole. They have chosen a time when the spotlight is on them to protest. You may not like it. You may not support it, but you noticed it. You didn't notice their good deeds and community work, but you noticed this protest. Therefore it has raised awareness.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Meh, I don't think anyone would be pleased with whatever type of protest they could have come up with, to be honest. I just don't think police brutality resonates with most WHITE people.

FYP

It certainly resonates with people of color.

 

[Squints]

Let me hop in. You are obviously unaware of what they are doing on their own time with regard to their issue. You Green Giant analogy is just plain stupid. They are protesting a condition in America which they feel denigrates the country as a whole. They have chosen a time when the spotlight is on them to protest. You may not like it. You may not support it, but you noticed it. You didn't notice their good deeds and community work, but you noticed this protest. Therefore it has raised awareness.

Hop on whatever you want, cowboy.

Your opinions are inconsequential to me. If you think it’s stupid, simply because you refuse to see the other side of the argument, that’s on you. How many departments/jurisdictions have they effectively reached (hearing about it, seeing it on TV, etc., is NOT the “reaching” I’m talking about... but go ahead and spin it... and yes, my analogy falls right in line with - they aren’t “reaching” the intended audience) by kneeling?

I’m sure hundreds (maybe thousands?) of departments have re-evaluated their approach to community interaction because a few dozen ****ies kneeled at a ballgame. Yep, they showed them!

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Hop on whatever you want, cowboy.

Your opinions are inconsequential to me. If you think it’s stupid, simply because you refuse to see the other side of the argument, that’s on you. How many departments/jurisdictions have they effectively reached (hearing about it, seeing it on TV, etc., is NOT the “reaching” I’m talking about... but go ahead and spin it... and yes, my analogy falls right in line with - they aren’t “reaching” the intended audience) by kneeling?

I’m sure hundreds (maybe thousands?) of departments have re-evaluated their approach to community interaction because a few dozen ****ies kneeled at a ballgame. Yep, they showed them!

Thanks for responding to my inconsequential opinions, Squints.

The police departments are not the intended audience of protest. It is too get more people involved in the cause. That they have done. And contrary to your narrative, they are going grassroots on "their" time. And many departments have re-evaluated their approach to interactions with the public.

 

[BeecherVol]

Meh, I don't think anyone would be pleased with whatever type of protest they could have come up with, to be honest. I just don't think police brutality resonates with most people.

"Anyone" is a heavy.

In this case those that fall outside that are less willing to listen when the story is the protest and not whats being protested.

 

[volfanjustin]

FYP

It certainly resonates with people of color.

white guilt really kicking in today huh

 

[volfanjustin]

You are absolutely right. I didn't watch any last year and probably won't this year either.

I used to wake up every Sunday morning, put on one of the pregame shows and watch every second until the games started then would watch every play from which ever game was on from noon until the final play of the Sunday night game. Now, last two years I have only watched 2 games and thats the SB and only reason really is because our friends have party's so it more of a social event than to watch the game. Also used to buy tix to visit Indy at least once a year, havne't been to a game in 3 years nor do I care to. My Sundays are way better without spoiled hypocrites. And college is 1000 times better anyway.

 

[n_huffhines]

Time to stop funding the school.

So the public doesn't get to use public funds unless they worship the state the way you deem fit...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Meh, I don't think anyone would be pleased with whatever type of protest they could have come up with, to be honest. I just don't think police brutality resonates with most people.

How about spousal abuse by NFL players?


Naaaaah We all know how hypocritical THAT would be.

 

[n_huffhines]

How about spousal abuse by NFL players?

Naaaaah We all know how hypocritical THAT would be.

What about it? Just because there are some bad seeds among the 800 players doesn't discredit their message about police brutality. The NFL treats domestic violence very seriously. They punish players like Zeke when there is basically no evidence. They have PSA's they pay for, etc. Show me the police union putting out PSA's about police brutality...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What about it? Just because there are some bad seeds among the 800 players doesn't discredit their message about police brutality. The NFL treats domestic violence very seriously. They punish players like Zeke when there is basically no evidence. They have PSA's they pay for, etc. Show me the police union putting out PSA's about police brutality...

But just because there are a few bad seeds among the cops DOES indict the entirety of police. Gotcha.


Hero worship of athletes left me wa long time ago