The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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Glitch said:
As someone who has given my entire adult life to the service of this country I would like to slap the ever loving **** out of him. However, if he wants to be a disrespectful pile of refuse he has that right. He was fortunate enough to be born in the greatest country in the world. So I am at an impasse.
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Basically the entire league kneeled at some point, but no if Kobe were there, he’d take the right wing side instead lmao
 
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Ashevolle said:
Being faithful to your spouse, being a good role-model for your kids, taking care of your parents, truthfulness, honesty, seeking wisdom, avoiding unnecessary violence, working hard at your vocation, being prudent with your money, patience, courage, temperance, open-mindedness, forgiveness...........

None of those things are dependent on whether you stand for the National Anthem. Let's of admirable and principled people aren't "patriotic".
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My point was to disagree with the overall sentiment of your message. Stating that there are far worse things he could do does not absolve him from any issues begat by his actions in the original video. It's an attempt to end the argument with relativism.

Most of the true measures of a man cannot be seen by the public. We go off of what we can see though. And most of what we, the public, can see, is concerning, for someone who is in a position to greatly influence the next generation of kids, and who ESPN spends so much screen time on.
 
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mrmax86 said:
My point was to disagree with the overall sentiment of your message. Stating that there are far worse things he could do does not absolve him from any issues begat by his actions in the original video. It's an attempt to end the argument with relativism.

Most of the true measures of a man cannot be seen by the public. We go off of what we can see though. And most of what we, the public, can see, is concerning, for someone who is in a position to greatly influence the next generation of kids, and who ESPN spends so much screen time on.
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“Concerning” about someone who has been in the spotlight since age 15 and has zero allegations of unfaithfulness, zero criminal charges, and is by all accounts a good and present father is mostly just pearl-clutching
 
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Ashevolle said:
It's not just America or China/Russia. There are lots of free countries in the world.

But why would I leave America? Should I be punished if I don't make a show of patriotism? That's veering towards authoritarianism and was a common in places like Communist Russia and Nazi Germany.
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If you hate the place where you live, go somewhere else to live. Also, I think you will find that there are different levels of "freedom" in a lot of those other countries you speak of. Try protesting in Canada and see what that gets you.
 
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Ashevolle said:
It's not just America or China/Russia. There are lots of free countries in the world.

But why would I leave America? Should I be punished if I don't make a show of patriotism? That's veering towards authoritarianism and was a common in places like Communist Russia and Nazi Germany.
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“We love freedom, also you better respect the special flag song or get out of this country” lol
 
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Glitch said:
If you hate the place where you live, go somewhere else to live. Also, I think you will find that there are different levels of "freedom" in a lot of those other countries you speak of. Try protesting in Canada and see what that gets you.
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People kneeled during the anthem in Canada and absolutely nothing happened to them
 
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Glitch said:
I don't hate anyone. I think it is extraordinarily disrespectful to not stop what you are doing during the national anthem. Knowing what the 1% of men and women that actually serve in the armed forces give up to allow the rest of the nation to have the freedoms they have gives me a bit of a unique perspective maybe. Folks are perfectly within their rights to not stop and show respect, but I am also perfectly within my rights to call them out. Feel free to ignore me. That is perfectly within your rights.
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Fair point if you see it that way. It is extremely easy to stop, remove cap, face flag to show respect. I just don't automatically associate disrespecting the anthem to disrespecting those who serve but if people do indeed disrespect the anthem to disrespect people who serve then yeah that's very shameful. Tbh I am uninformed on the reason the national anthem is played before games and other events. I don't even know what the national anthem represents (I have my assumptions of course). I know that people kneel or do other things during the anthem just for attention but the reasons for kneeling/other things during the anthem are lost on me. I assume they kneel to show disrespect but are they showing disrespect to the country, its service members, the citizens, the government, or all of the above.
 
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