The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are not getting any flak. I just don't care enough about a flag or an anthem. That should be a basic human right... or at least in the US. It's people like you that are all red in the face and angry over something that occurs 5 minutes before a sporting event.
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Folks have the right to be red faced about it just as much as the folks who don't care about the flag or anthem have the right to not care about the flag or anthem.
 
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Glitch said:
Folks have the right to be red faced about it just as much as the folks who don't care about the flag or anthem have the right to not care about the flag or anthem.
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Again, my point is why do people care more about a flag or a song than they do the Constitution... you know, the very thing you took an oath to defend? You strike as someone that would assault someone for burning a flag but won't keep that same energy for some politician eroding our freedoms everyday.

Frankly, actions speak louder than words when it comes to these military guys, anyways. In the past 20 years, we've had all kinds of wars and military activity overseas but these same guys won't fight here at home when they are locking down small businesses, forcing your kids to wear a mask and get a jab, molesting old women at the TSA line or a host of other atrocities.

The last thing in the world a military vet should be concerned about in 2023 is a flag or an anthem.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, my point is why do people care more about a flag or a song than they do the Constitution... you know, the very thing you took an oath to defend? You strike as someone that would assault someone for burning a flag but won't keep that same energy for some politician eroding our freedoms everyday.

Frankly, actions speak louder than words when it comes to these military guys, anyways. In the past 20 years, we've had all kinds of wars and military activity overseas but these same guys won't fight here at home when they are locking down small businesses, forcing your kids to wear a mask and get a jab, molesting old women at the TSA line or a host of other atrocities.

The last thing in the world a military vet should be concerned about in 2023 is a flag or an anthem.
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You also don't know anything about me. You should probably avoid making assumptions about people based on message board posts. Lots of military folks refused to wear masks or get vaccines and they were kicked out and denied retirements they had spent years earning. There is a reason the Constitution has clauses against the military being used domestically and people in the military do take that very seriously.
 
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BucVol98 said:
To pretend that America is the only nation that has committed atrocities is a much more myopic self aggrandizing perspective in my humble opinion.

Spain slaughtered the Mayans, African chiefs sold their own people into slavery, Barbary Pirates enslaved Americans, the Chinese gov is currently slaughtering Muslims, Arabic nations slaughter Jews, Christians, LGBTQ people, the Germans slaughtered Jews...... I can go on and on.
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Where am I saying or pretending we're the only ones? I am inherently distrustful of all nation states.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, I'm nowhere near a fan of LBJ, but I still cannot wrap my brain around why so many people get their panties in a wad over a flag or an anthem in the United States of America. There is nothing in the founding documents or anything spoken by the Founding Fathers or anything in the Constitution that says that an individual has to bow down to a piece of cloth or to a piece of music in order to be an American.

I swear, just like the left forces me to defend Donald trump, you conservatives put me in a position where I have to defend people like LeBron James and Colin Kaepernick.
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THIS.
 
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Glitch said:
You also don't know anything about me. You should probably avoid making assumptions about people based on message board posts. Lots of military folks refused to wear masks or get vaccines and they were kicked out and denied retirements they had spent years earning. There is a reason the Constitution has clauses against the military being used domestically and people in the military do take that very seriously.
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I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the military folks with all of their guns and love for God and country watching our freedoms here at home erode in the past 2 decades while we've been (allegedly) fighting for freedom and democracy overseas. Looks like they would go fight for the Afghans, Kurds, and Kuwaitis but won't do squat here at home for Americans... unless someone burns a flag or takes a knee. Then that righteous outrage will get them going and ready to crack some skulls.

We've lost more freedoms here at home while fighting for "freedom" overseas than in any other time in our history. But your issue is with people not standing for a flag. You're priorities are misguided.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the military folks with all of their guns and love for God and country watching our freedoms here at home erode in the past 2 decades while we've been (allegedly) fighting for freedom and democracy overseas. Looks like they would go fight for the Afghans, Kurds, and Kuwaitis but won't do squat here at home for Americans... unless someone burns a flag or takes a knee. Then that righteous outrage will get them going and ready to crack some skulls.

We've lost more freedoms here at home while fighting for "freedom" overseas than in any other time in our history. But your issue is with people not standing for a flag. You're priorities are misguided.
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You don't seem to know very much about military folks. Enjoy your opinion.
 
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Glitch said:
You also don't know anything about me. You should probably avoid making assumptions about people based on message board posts. Lots of military folks refused to wear masks or get vaccines and they were kicked out and denied retirements they had spent years earning. There is a reason the Constitution has clauses against the military being used domestically and people in the military do take that very seriously.
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Lots of people from different groups refused to wear masks and get vaccines. Active duty military personnel weren't close to standing out compared to other large organizations
 
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Glitch said:
I never stated that they were, but less than 1% of the entire population serves in the military so they would naturally have a smaller voice. It would have been nice if the population at large had stood up more in defense of our rights since the military can't really do that type of thing. Coups are not really what we do.
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Certainly, as a country we overreacted. A nice middle ground wouldn't have been possible considering the bi-polar, tribal nature that has been instilled in us through social media. We erred on the side of caution. Probably a better result if we had taken the opposite stance
 
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Glitch said:
You don't seem to know very much about military folks. Enjoy your opinion.
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Hey buddy, my point is to get you riled up... to get you as mad and as angry as hell. But not at me. Or at Kaepernick. Or at Lebron James. You need to be mad at the people that had you and/or your friends fighting for "freedom and democracy" overseas while freedom and democracy right here at home was being destroyed.

Your beef is NOT with me. That same energy and bluster and anger you have for an American citizen that chooses to not respect a piece of cloth needs to be directed at the clowns and corrupt politicians that willy-nilly send you guys obediently to the other side of the world to fight for someone else or some other corporate interests.... yet when it comes to Constitutional rights of Americans, you all don't do diddly-squat and keep your powder dry. I guarantee that you would rather get arms and get a posse together to kill me or Kaepernic or LeBron James, who have done nothing to you at all... over one of these lawyers, politicians or judges.

You are simply an obedient order following, compliant slave to the state and it's institutions. You don't GAF about the Constitution or freedom. Because if you veterans/patriots actully did, we wouldn't be where we are right now in this country.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey buddy, my point is to get you riled up... to get you as mad and as angry as hell. But not at me. Or at Kaepernick. Or at Lebron James. You need to be mad at the people that had you and/or your friends fighting for "freedom and democracy" overseas while freedom and democracy right here at home was being destroyed.

Your beef is NOT with me. That same energy and bluster and anger you have for an American citizen that chooses to not respect a piece of cloth needs to be directed at the clowns and corrupt politicians that willy-nilly send you guys obediently to the other side of the world to fight for someone else or some other corporate interests.... yet when it comes to Constitutional rights of Americans, you all don't do diddly-squat and keep your powder dry. I guarantee that you would rather get arms and get a posse together to kill me or Kaepernic or LeBron James, who hve done nothing to you at all... over one of these lawyers. politicians or judges.

You are simply an obedient order following, compliant slave to the state and it's institutions. You don't GAF about the Constitution or freedom. Because if you veterans/patriots actully did, we wouldn't be where we are right now in this country.
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I think you might be the angry one. Maybe you should talk to a psychiatrist about this pent up rage you seem to have. I am not angry at anyone. Plus our Constitution was meant to avoid the Soldiers having to fix the government. The people were supposed to do that with their votes. So who has failed? The <1% that serve in the military or the 99% that are supposed to be the "of the People" and "by the People"?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey buddy, my point is to get you riled up... to get you as mad and as angry as hell. But not at me. Or at Kaepernick. Or at Lebron James. You need to be mad at the people that had you and/or your friends fighting for "freedom and democracy" overseas while freedom and democracy right here at home was being destroyed.

Your beef is NOT with me. That same energy and bluster and anger you have for an American citizen that chooses to not respect a piece of cloth needs to be directed at the clowns and corrupt politicians that willy-nilly send you guys obediently to the other side of the world to fight for someone else or some other corporate interests.... yet when it comes to Constitutional rights of Americans, you all don't do diddly-squat and keep your powder dry. I guarantee that you would rather get arms and get a posse together to kill me or Kaepernic or LeBron James, who hve done nothing to you at all... over one of these lawyers. politicians or judges.

You are simply an obedient order following, compliant slave to the state and it's institutions. You don't GAF about the Constitution or freedom. Because if you veterans/patriots actully did, we wouldn't be where we are right now in this country.
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That is why we all should be grateful to you for keeping our best interest a top priority. All you need now is a bat signal.
 
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Glitch said:
I think you might be the angry one. Maybe you should talk to a psychiatrist about this pent up rage you seem to have. I am not angry at anyone. Plus our Constitution was meant to avoid the Soldiers having to fix the government. The people were supposed to do that with their votes. So who has failed? The <1% that serve in the military or the 99% that are supposed to be the "of the People" and "by the People"?
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No, you don't get off the hook. Soldiers vote don't they?

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“I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
That is why we all should be grateful to you for keeping our best interest a top priority. All you need now is a bat signal.
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I genuinely think most people in here really don’t care about what is in their best interest. Or they just don't know what those interests are.

Ignorance or apathy...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, you don't get off the hook. Soldiers vote don't they?

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“I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
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I do vote and most SM I know vote. Again, less than 1% of the population of the country serve in the military. Our vote can easily be swallowed up by the population.

Also, your little highlighted section is nice and all, but the preponderance of evidence that would be needed for the military to declare a US citizen as a domestic enemy is part of what keeps the military from becoming too powerful. The section I highlighted is what makes our military unique to many around the world. We have officers appointed over us, but we ultimately report to the Commander In Chief. Whoever that happens to be, whether we agree with them politically or not. The only way we could disobey an order would be if it is clearly unlawful or unconstitutional. If you are going to disobey an order, you had better be ready to face the consequences if you can't back up that order being unlawful.

So try again to tell Soldiers what they should and should not do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I genuinely think most people in here really don’t care about what is in their best interest. Or they just don't know what those interests are.

Ignorance or apathy...
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Rastuttin if you and Glitch ever decide to use the Waffle House option please let me know. I would love to grab some hashbrowns and take in the show.
 
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Glitch said:
I do vote and most SM I know vote. Again, less than 1% of the population of the country serve in the military. Our vote can easily be swallowed up by the population.

Also, your little highlighted section is nice and all, but the preponderance of evidence that would be needed for the military to declare a US citizen as a domestic enemy is part of what keeps the military from becoming too powerful. The section I highlighted is what makes our military unique to many around the world. We have officers appointed over us, but we ultimately report to the Commander In Chief. Whoever that happens to be, whether we agree with them politically or not. The only way we could disobey an order would be if it is clearly unlawful or unconstitutional. If you are going to disobey an order, you had better be ready to face the consequences if you can't back up that order being unlawful.

So try again to tell Soldiers what they should and should not do.
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I'm mainly talking about veterans not in the service anymore...
 
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Glitch said:
I think you might be the angry one. Maybe you should talk to a psychiatrist about this pent up rage you seem to have. I am not angry at anyone. Plus our Constitution was meant to avoid the Soldiers having to fix the government. The people were supposed to do that with their votes. So who has failed? The <1% that serve in the military or the 99% that are supposed to be the "of the People" and "by the People"?
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Again, I'm not the one bent out shape over a flag or a song.
 
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jp1 said:
Ohh you are. Your recent post history proves it. You keep trying to stir it up with him, and your troll attempt seems to be failing.
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I've enjoyed him trying to rile me up and make me go on a tangent like he assumed I would. I have never spent much time in this forum and I have found little here that makes it seem like an overly enjoyable place to spend much time. I'll head back where I belong. Thank you for your level-headed posting.
 
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HammondB3Vol said:
And the concepts behind those two symbols is what gives you the right to say that.
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Concepts award rights? What are you saying?

The flag stands for a lot of things and it's myopic to expect people to revere it the way you do simply because some of the things the flag stands for are good.
 
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