The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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LSU-SIU said:
Yeah, but that is moot because the people locally have their own set of rules. There is no national plan, all of this from cops to drugs to paying for defenses, are generally local jurisdictional issues -- more or less what you guys are talking about has very little to do with the federal government.
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Omg, no it doesn't. The War on Drugs is Nixon's baby and Ronnie ramped it up. It's both federal and local. No idea how old you are or what you know about tecent history, but you couldn't be further off.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Why not? Hog has an interesting idea. Prosecutors usually only take the cases they know they are going to win anyway. (I have a former high school classmate that was a Commonwealth Attorney in Kentucky and he gave me the low down on that one time) How hard is it to prosecute child sex abuse cases counselor? How many are plea bargained? Wonder why?
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One of the problems is overcharging people they know can't mount a defense. Or in doing so will break them. Threaten them with years in prison then offer a plea for a low grade felony and probation.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Omg, no it doesn't. The War on Drugs is Nixon's baby and Ronnie ramped it up. It's both federal and local. No idea how old you are or what you know about tecent history, but you couldn't be further off.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, every State has laws on the books to put you in jail based on drugs. You can call it the War on Drugs, the War on Weed, the War on Pothead, the War on Meth Heads etc Its still all the same stuff, everything you guys are talking about is mostly local and state issues.
 
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hog88 said:
Not what I meant. The defendant gets at least what the the prosecution plans to spend, we're still a free country so a defendant could spend more.

Of course I don't have all of the details but I don't see how budgeting for a trial would be all that difficult. The police work is done and available to each side so that's out. If the DA has an investigator working past what LEO has done, that expense is easy to line item. Any expert witnesses would also be easy ext ext. DA offices already have budgets so...

In short, the state shouldn't have a blank check available to them to prosecute someone and the defendant has to go broke or rely on overloaded and underfunded public defenders to defend themselves.
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No, the police are not investigating for the defendant. They are building a case for the prosecution.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Have you SEEN the people that are gaga over the NFL? Fans took up a collection to pay Brady's legal bills for crying out loud. You think this is anything more than a blip on the radar?

I'll bet that Steelers fan that burned all his stuff in the BBQ is kicking himself already.
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He can go out and buy Browns s**t now.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Have you SEEN the people that are gaga over the NFL? Fans took up a collection to pay Brady's legal bills for crying out loud. You think this is anything more than a blip on the radar?

I'll bet that Steelers fan that burned all his stuff in the BBQ is kicking himself already.
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Never thought I'd be agreeing with you, but yes, the NFL is going nowhere. People think way too much of themselves and think them not watching a game is going to make the league fall apart
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
No, the police are not investigating for the defendant. They are building a case for the prosecution.
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ok then. Count their expenses toward the budget.

Overall as an attorney how about you give your thoughts on the idea and quit nitpicking the details.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Never thought I'd be agreeing with you, but yes, the NFL is going nowhere. People think way too much of themselves and think them not watching a game is going to make the league fall apart
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Worldcom didn't think it was going anywhere either, things change. I am not predicting the death... but they are clearly in a slow death mode over the last 3-5 years... add ESPN, CNN, Cable tv, etc to the mix.

Eventually, many (I am not saying all) of these sports/corporations are going to have there NASCAR moment where cashflow is not enough to sustain the business.

I suspect the trend will continue, this definitely didn't help. Trump is probably far from done. Also, these sports leagues are not self-running they rely on taxpayer welfare handouts and special treatment as well like the anti-trust exemption. Of course, all the experts said the diaper wearer was going to win by a landslide... funny how that worked out.

I would be very worried if I were one of the modern day slave (nfl) owners hiding behind my slaves and chains (anti-trust exemption/tax funding) right now. We will see.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Worldcom didn't think it was going anywhere either, things change. I am not predicting the death... but they are clearly in a slow death mode over the last 3-5 years... add ESPN, CNN, Cable tv, etc to the mix.

Eventually, many (I am not saying all) of these sports/corporations are going to have there NASCAR moment where cashflow is not enough to sustain the business.

I suspect the trend will continue, this definitely didn't help.
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Worldcom? Seriously Clark? That's your comparison?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I have no idea what you are talking about, every State has laws on the books to put you in jail based on drugs. You can call it the War on Drugs, the War on Weed, the War on Pothead, the War on Meth Heads etc Its still all the same stuff, everything you guys are talking about is mostly local and state issues.
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You go to federal prison on federal charges. It doesn't matter if a local police officer arrests you. He's just one small part of a big program. Get the feds to deprecate the war on drugs and see how much the local municipalities want to fight it alone when they have to foot the bill for all the incarcerations.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You go to federal prison on federal charges. It doesn't matter if a local police officer arrests you. He's just one small part of a big program. See how much the local municipalities want to fight the war on drugs when they have to foot the bill for all the incarcerations.
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Prisons should be privately run with governmental oversight only. Somebody would make a profit on it, guaranteed.
 
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hog88 said:
ok then. Count their expenses toward the budget.

Overall as an attorney how about you give your thoughts on the idea and quit nitpicking the details.
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I don't know a whole lot about criminal workings, but the defenders are permitted to hire experts and utilize investigators. The problem is that many lawyers gravitate towards the prosecution out of a sense of duty to rid the world of scumbags or because they have political or judicial aspirations. Money isn't the driving force in their lives. On the other hand, many people end up in the defenders office because they couldn't get a job elsewhere or they want to be a criminal defense attorney and they can get 10 years of private practice experience in 2 or 3 years in the defenders office. They leave and open up their own practice. Turnover in the defender's office is usually quite a big issue.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Worldcom? Seriously Clark? That's your comparison?
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What are you talking about, you had a whole party of snowflakes and their experts telling everyone it was going to be landslide... funny how that worked.

I never said it would happen, I said stranger things have occurred.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Right now the level of distrust between certain communities and the police are at an all time high. The police are going to have to earn back the respect of the people. The cops must respect the peoples' rights as it is part and parcel of the job.
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Yeah, the media isn't helping matters much on that account...
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Prisons should be privately run with governmental oversight only. Somebody would make a profit on it, guaranteed.
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There are many private prisons and they do make a profit on it and then they lobby the government to keep the war on drugs going so that they can keep prison populations high and the money rolling in...I like the privatization of most any government service, but this one is a tough one. It hasn't worked out well for justice in America.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You go to federal prison on federal charges. It doesn't matter if a local police officer arrests you. He's just one small part of a big program. Get the feds to deprecate the war on drugs and see how much the local municipalities want to fight it alone when they have to foot the bill for all the incarcerations.
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The only time you go to federal prison is when the feds press charges, the local and states press charges every single day where I live and everywhere I have lived in the past.

https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Drug-Trafficking-Sentencing-2012.pdf

Tell you what, you get the federal government to get rid of the DEA, you stroll over to our local Walmart, talk to the manager and tell him you want to sell some meth out of the store.... and let me know how that works out for you.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That being said, you're right about this point. The actions of those involved in the civil rights movement were viewed unfavorably by upwards of 75% of the country at the time. MLK was viewed as a rabble rouser by a similar amount of the country. Things like the march on Washington were not popular acts.

Large scale protests around societal issues are usually not viewed favorably at the time they occur and opinions on them softens as time goes on (that or they're looked back on as insignificant and not memorable).
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Yes. More people need to realize this
 
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NashVol11 said:
This cannot be serious
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As someone that's been around and has family and friends that work with inner-city youth as educators, welfare workers, and law enforcement, yes I am serious. Only the dellusional try to act like the inner-city culture isn't part of the problem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There are many private prisons and they do make a profit on it and then they lobby the government to keep the war on drugs going so that they can keep prison populations high and the money rolling in...I like the privatization of most any government service, but this one is a tough one. It hasn't worked out well for justice in America.
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Chuck Schumer makes a lot of money from private prisons as does Bill Haslam. It's very corrupt.
 
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