The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh they know why these players are protesting. They are simply deflecting from the issue at hand cause its easier to pretend this is about the flag, the military, and patriotism when it's really about racial oppression. They don't want to discuss the issue of racism in this country cause they know it's a problem.

Every white person in America knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black. They all know it even if they might never admit it.
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You create your own opportunities in this country regardless of what color your skin happens to be. Some people may have more obstacles in life than others but with perseverance a person can achieve great things. That bold comment is just absurd.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh they know why these players are protesting. They are simply deflecting from the issue at hand cause its easier to pretend this is about the flag, the military, and patriotism when it's really about racial oppression. They don't want to discuss the issue of racism in this country cause they know it's a problem.

Every white person in America knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black. They all know it even if they might never admit it.
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When you argument becomes the fact that you have the God given power to know and say how "other" people think, then that's when it becomes a weak argument.

You don't have the faintest idea what "every white" person in America thinks, you just think it sounds good coming out of your mouth and hope you don't have to really give a good explanation.

If some of those who have actually been oppressed want to protest that oppression, then I'm right there beside them, arm in arm. But when an entitled group that spends more time beating their wives wants to all of the sudden "protest for greater purpose", that's as hypocritical as you can get. And don't start with the "they don't have a voice" argument. Everybody has a voice.

If the point of this particular protest is racial equality, surely you can see it is doing more to divide than not.
 
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I give zero f's. Do what you want to do before and after the game for all I care. Give your all for Tennessee on the field. GBO!!!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh they know why these players are protesting. They are simply deflecting from the issue at hand cause its easier to pretend this is about the flag, the military, and patriotism when it's really about racial oppression. They don't want to discuss the issue of racism in this country cause they know it's a problem.

Every white person in America knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black. They all know it even if they might never admit it.
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Because anyone that pays attention knows "racial oppression" is full on bs. There are racial incidents going all directions, sure, but it's nowhere near the level it's been propped up to be. It's a bona-fide fact Asians had it worse and got their rights later and yet on average they out perform every single race in this country.

Imo we just need to call each other Americans, period. Fixing families and making sure kids finished school would get rid of so many of these issues.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh they know why these players are protesting. They are simply deflecting from the issue at hand cause its easier to pretend this is about the flag, the military, and patriotism when it's really about racial oppression. They don't want to discuss the issue of racism in this country cause they know it's a problem.

Every white person in America knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black. They all know it even if they might never admit it.
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Serious question. Exactly what is the goal? How do you achieve eradication of prejudices? The laws on books are racial equality, right? Black people are legally given rights to do the same as whites. Racism and prejudice is a problem but it's is an individual one and not a question of law. Usually protests are to establish or change laws aren't they? Unless I'm missing something. I think most of America is confused by the goal. They know the problem but how is protesting in this way achieving a solution? Maybe it's because it's opening discussions but I am seriously doubting any of the kneelers could name one of the 9 unarmed black men killed in 2017 or the city they were killed in let alone discuss their plight into curing humanity. I'm for right to protest and racial equality but think we need a better execution than this mess. But that's just me.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Kaepernick was pretty clear. He is protesting the flag because the police force of this country is killing unarmed black men and are not being punished for it. The solution is actually holding police officers like that lady in Tulsa, Oklahoma that shot that unarmed black man with his hands raised on film. That was an unjustified killing and that officer was found not guilty. That is what people are fed up with.

I don't think this is very hard to understand.
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And that is garnering what, at this point?
 
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NCFisher said:
How's that to occur if "Nobody has to support free speech"?
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You don't have to support anything, if you want to defend yourself from an improper government restriction on you -- you can, or you can elect not to defend yourself on any restriction. It really isn't complex. If you want to support others which might need help... you can... but there is no requirement to support anything.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
You create your own opportunities in this country regardless of what color your skin happens to be. Some people may have more obstacles in life than others but with perseverance a person can achieve great things. That bold comment is just absurd.
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So you believe there are no differences between being black vs being white in this country? Now consider that question closely. I did not ask whether it is possible to be successful in America as a black person. I'm asking you if you believe there are no differences between being black and white in America?

We all know the real answer to that question so you don't even need to answer. Its rhetorical. Everyone in this country knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Kaepernick was pretty clear. He is protesting the flag because the police force of this country is killing unarmed black men and are not being punished for it. The solution is actually holding police officers like that lady in Tulsa, Oklahoma that shot that unarmed black man with his hands raised on film. That was an unjustified killing and that officer was found not guilty. That is what people are fed up with.

I don't think this is very hard to understand.
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So now the question is this: Is Colin Kaepernick and these other millionaires taking a knee going to cause any change? What change has happened? Is a police officer who is in a tight situation where it could be life or death going to be taken down without defending himself because Colin Kaepernick and other NFLers took a knee? I don't think so.

Has Colin Kaepernick gone into a community where there is tension between the community and it's police force and tried to influence change and make a difference? I haven't seen anything about it. All I have seen is that he has taken a knee and donated money to some organizations. History has shown us that throwing money at the situation is NOT going to solve it.

These guys are public figures and people who could have influence on communities. Go out to the tough places, get in the middle of it, work with all sides, get to some root causes and make a dang difference.

You taking a knee is nothing but a false narrative saying I care. I can talk passionately all day about taking care of someone or something, maybe even have a demonstration but it will not make a lick of difference if I don't get in the middle of it and help the situation.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's your opinion. To most black people, Kaepernick's stance is not rooted in false racial narratives. I'm guessing you are probably not black. Just because you don't have the same experiences with law enforcement that many black people have doesn't mean those issues don't exist.

Once again I can respect your opinion. Why do you find it hard not to respect the opinions of those that disagree with you. Colin Kaepernick and many of those supporting him believe police brutality against black people in America is a serious problem. They have a right to believe that and express their opinions.
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It's not an opinion. It's FBI crime data. It's about as fact as a fact can be.

Why is it difficult to respect Kap? Because 1) he doesn't exercise his right to vote - which is your basic voice for change and 2) he speaks out against oppression while wearing a freaking Castro t-shirt...I mean is he a hypocrite or just an idiot?
 
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BearCat204 said:
honestly I am confused on what they are protesting and what they want done exactly.
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That's my biggest issues with it. Just seems like alot of attention whoring and nobody, or at least I don't know what their issues are, and what disrespecting the Flag and what it stands for is doing to help it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you believe there are no differences between being black vs being white in this country? Now consider that question closely. I did not ask whether it is possible to be successful in America as a black person. I'm asking you if you believe there are no differences between being black and white in America?

We all know the real answer to that question so you don't even need to answer. Its rhetorical. Everyone in this country knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black.
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Today, the opportunities for success are there for minorities. Every organization, public and private, practically has a Director of equality and inclusion for minorities. The business opportunities are greater now for minorities than ever before. Educational opportunities are there for minorities. I'm not saying it's all rainbows and lollipops being black but it wasn't for me working full time to pay 100% of my education, working 60-80 hour weeks starting out and later taking the risk of starting my own business either. Regardless how you feel, 3 times you should be respectful, 1) funeral, 2) during church and 3) during National Anthem. How were these people raised anyway?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you believe there are no differences between being black vs being white in this country? Now consider that question closely. I did not ask whether it is possible to be successful in America as a black person. I'm asking you if you believe there are no differences between being black and white in America?
We all know the real answer to that question so you don't even need to answer. Its rhetorical. Everyone in this country knows it's better to be white in America than it is to be black.
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It is not rhetorical and to answer your question yes there are some differences. I think racial profiling from law enforcement exists in some commnunities where many black people live and sadly it can result in mistreatment, injuries, or fatalities.

There is also a flip side to that. Do you ever think a person who is not black may want to live the life a black person?

D4H, it is also safe to say that there are many black people in this world that would take offense to your argument.
 
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WildTurkey said:
It's not an opinion. It's FBI crime data. It's about as fact as a fact can be.

Why is it difficult to respect Kap? Because 1) he doesn't exercise his right to vote - which is your basic voice for change and 2) he speaks out against oppression while wearing a freaking Castro t-shirt...I mean is he a hypocrite or just an idiot?
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Yes.
 
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MajorJohnny said:
Did I use the term "every black wife beater". I didn't think so. The NFL has it share of criminals of both races so I stand by my statement of hypocrisy.
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"But when an entitled group that spends more time beating their wives".... not too suckin fart but IMHO one is claiming ALL NFL players when written in that context....if wrong in my assumption so be it, otherwise, I also stand by my statement.

As for this thread discussion relating to the anthem....play ball !!
 
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captainfalcon777 said:
They aren't disrespecting the flag, just using the platform to raise awareness to serious social injustices in our country. People should have some thicker skin geesh
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BS on all fronts!! This has absolutely nothing to do with thick skin, "social injustice" or anything related to any "cause". This has to do with the FOUNDATION of this great nation and the sacrifices men and women made for it and a bunch of ignorant self serving egotistical morons showing just how ignorant and in some cases stupid they are. This includes McBride who should just shut up!

If UT supports this then I am through supporting Tennessee just like I have finished with the NFL. I value my nation much more than UT!!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Cosign.

I never understood the obsession with blind "patriotism" by so many Americans. It almost feels like a form of mind control.

Beyond the obvious racial issues that are fueling this controversy. I think the fact so many feel that blind patriotism is a requirement to being a good American is mind-boggling.

The best patroit is the one who always questions and challenges his country. Not the one who blindly salutes the flag and acts like everything this country does is good.
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Not all “blindly” salute or respect this country.

If you were a respectable man you’d know this. But you’re not.

Now, kneel before me and continue to suck your thumb.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Cosign.

I never understood the obsession with blind "patriotism" by so many Americans. It almost feels like a form of mind control.

Beyond the obvious racial issues that are fueling this controversy. I think the fact so many feel that blind patriotism is a requirement to being a good American is mind-boggling.

The best patroit is the one who always questions and challenges his country. Not the one who blindly salutes the flag and acts like everything this country does is good.
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I'd rather be a blind patriot than a spoiled, entitled idiot any day of the week. People like you wake up every day and take your freedom, your lifestyle, your job, the roof over your head, the food you eat, etc for granted. You don't know real hardship, real oppression, because you've never experienced it. And that's because people have died so that you didn't have to. Mothers have lost sons, sons have lost fathers for us to have it this easy. Most of us appreciate that, but unfortunately we have a generation of disrespectful boobs that don't care. You're damn right I'm gonna stand during the anthem because it's the right thing to do. I'm fine with protest, but that's the wrong time to do it.
 
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