The Thread Where We Debate About Healthcare in America

#676
#676
Septic said:
If you want to claim exceptionalism, that's the trade off when everyone in your country gets to have access to medical care. It's certainly not going to be ideal for the "gimmie it right now" folks. Also, most knees don't go bad overnight. Alternatively, you can either buy a supplemental to buy your way to the front of the line or fly to Mexico and get it done in a few minutes.
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6 month wait for an abortion, or go to Mexico?
 
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OHvol40 said:
You enjoy paying double for the same thing? For a philosophy that roots in capitalism some of you are really bad at it.
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Capitalism means paying the least possible? It doesnt in my book.

I used to be able to choose if I paid double or not. Now the government has said I have to pay double.
No, I enjoyed pay a third of what I am now before the government got involved. Understand why I dont want more government involvement?

I enjoy making choices for myself. Looking at the options and my personal situation and being able to decide what's best for me. I enjoy not being told what percentage of my income has to go to my healthcare. I would enjoy having the 20k ACA has cost me over nearly 6 years . I would enjoy being able to afford the down payment on my first home if it wasnt for the governments involvement. I would enjoy being treated like an adult.

Instead, because of bleeding hearts like you, I get lumped in with the idiots that I have done so much to separate myself from. I dont enjoy my rights being restricted because people make bad choices so I need to be punished too. I dont deserve to be punished because a significant portion of our society cant be bothered to take care of themselves.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
It's called oversight. Believe me, Medicaid and Medicare do almost constant compliance evaluations.
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So, trust us we are the government. We voted ourselves more power and we are the ones with oversight on ourselves.

Remember these decisions are being made by people with lower approval ratings than Trump. Which I know is saying something.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Are you equating a retail establishment and healthcare? Honestly, I don't believe in for profit medicine. This country did not have that problem 60 years ago and it is why healthcare costs so much today.
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Lawyers and government red tape made healthcare a for profit industry?
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Ever heard of HCA? CHS? Iasis? They, among others, are for-profit hospital owners.
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And private doctors never ran their business for profit before hand?

It was my understanding that doctors started congregating in hospitals because of all the red tape that started showing up. Sharing the paperwork and risk management. Not sure on the dates of when that became a bigger shift away but my impression was it was the Vietnam era.

*edit I realized I didnt answer your question I know of HCA, my PCP sent some of my bloodwork to one of their shops. I had asked for a couple extra tests, based on family history, and one of them got sent off there. Pricing wasnt any different. Which even anecdotally doesnt mean anything because it was pretty routine bloodwork.
 
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LouderVol said:
And private doctors never ran their business for profit before hand?

It was my understanding that doctors started congregating in hospitals because of all the red tape that started showing up. Sharing the paperwork and risk management. Not sure on the dates of when that became a bigger shift away but my impression was it was the Vietnam era.
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the AMA and licensing requirements along with ridiculous liability insurance on physicians due to lawyers, made house visits and simple medical bills go the way of the dodo
 
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#684
LouderVol said:
And private doctors never ran their business for profit before hand?

It was my understanding that doctors started congregating in hospitals because of all the red tape that started showing up. Sharing the paperwork and risk management. Not sure on the dates of when that became a bigger shift away but my impression was it was the Vietnam era.
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It's my understanding that the red tape and expense associated with ACA forced many small practices to merge or sell out to larger chains (for lack of a better term).
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
the AMA and licensing requirements along with ridiculous liability insurance on physicians due to lawyers, made house visits and simple medical bills go the way of the dodo
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I figured this is the why of it happening. But I dont know when it happened. It's never mattered to me so I havent looked it up. I was expecting a history lesson here with the way he was leading the conversation.
 
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#686
LouderVol said:
Capitalism means paying the least possible? It doesnt in my book.

I used to be able to choose if I paid double or not. Now the government has said I have to pay double.
No, I enjoyed pay a third of what I am now before the government got involved. Understand why I dont want more government involvement?

I enjoy making choices for myself. Looking at the options and my personal situation and being able to decide what's best for me. I enjoy not being told what percentage of my income has to go to my healthcare. I would enjoy having the 20k ACA has cost me over nearly 6 years . I would enjoy being able to afford the down payment on my first home if it wasnt for the governments involvement. I would enjoy being treated like an adult.

Instead, because of bleeding hearts like you, I get lumped in with the idiots that I have done so much to separate myself from. I dont enjoy my rights being restricted because people make bad choices so I need to be punished too. I dont deserve to be punished because a significant portion of our society cant be bothered to take care of themselves.
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The sense of community in America is dead.
 
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#688
Rickyvol77 said:
No, we are still a community, you can help the less fortunate without being forced at gunpoint by government....one day you might learn that
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I’ve learned all I need to know about conservative priorities in this country. “If it doesn’t affect me directly or I can’t perceive it then I don’t care”
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’ve learned all I need to know about conservative priorities in this country. “If it doesn’t affect me directly or I can’t perceive it then I don’t care”
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You couldn't be more wrong.
 
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#692
OHvol40 said:
I’ve learned all I need to know about conservative priorities in this country. “If it doesn’t affect me directly or I can’t perceive it then I don’t care”
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No, we both care about the problems, we just don't want to waste money, create meaningless unconstitutional laws, or do dumb ideas that don't actually solve anything.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’ve learned all I need to know about conservative priorities in this country. “If it doesn’t affect me directly or I can’t perceive it then I don’t care”
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I am sorry that I am not wealthy enough where i dont notice losing about 3200 dollars a year to this. I have a budget, i try to stick to it, ACA lead to my healthcare being higher than what I projected. I guess it's my fault I am still a bottom 40% earner in my city? I guess I should be thankful I make enough where the government decides I make too much. I guess it's my fault I worked my way up above the poverty line in my city.

You should see what ACA did to my donations to St. Jude. Was finally able to make my first one in three or four years. Right before the Rona caused my wages to get cut. Which has me relooking at my budget.

I am fine if my money actually went to help people with their underlying conditions. I have an issue with my money going to someone to continue their life of laxity while being punished for working thru mine.

There is a reason they tell you to put on your mask first before helping others. You cant overburden the "makers" in order to constantly give more and more to the "takers". For those that dont make enough it's a significant burden.

Instead you sit there and tell me i am greedy for being careful with MY money. You sit there and tell me how I should spend MY money. You sit there and tell me I should put my life on permanent hold just so the lazy jackwads can have a better life than I have. You sit there, not knowing a thing about me, and just assume i should be fine losing at least 40% of my income, and that I am greedy for wanting to keep what I have spent my whole life working for. Ignoring the sacrifices I have made, the suffering I have gone thru, the losses i have endured. You sit there and pretend to ride a high horse making projections about how things should be while ignoring what is actually happening.

I am not the greedy one here. I dont want to tell people what they can and cant have. That's up to them. I am not the one sitting there telling people they are wrong for trying to protect themselves from ideas that dont give a damn about individual situations or the impacts they may have.

I have been thru enough, ridden the line long enough, to say to hell with your ideas. I just want to be left alone. But no you keep having to assert your ideas into my life, ascribing moralities to decisions and consquences you know nothing about.

I dont come to your house to tell you how to live your life, or how you get to spend your money. I ask for the common decency of the same from you.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
You trust our government to run Medicaid and Medicare. They are run efficiently and providers are capped at 3% profit.
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Bump @Purple Tiger

Here you are supporting government run insurance.

Price caps too.

Where exactly are you against socialized healthcare? Or is you response in the Covid thread a recent belief?
 
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Purple Tiger said:
You trust our government to run Medicaid and Medicare. They are run efficiently and providers are capped at 3% profit.
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That’s hilarious. You believe it’s efficient? It’s one of the largest parts of the US budget. Roughly the same size as the DOD budget.

So you believe we can afford to extend that to everyone?
 
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