The Thread Where We Debate About Healthcare in America

[OHvol40]

You would first have to define affordable and access. Then you would have to explain how you can justify forbidding someone from profiting off of their labor.

I’m not advocating for skilled healthcare workers to not be paid, do other universal systems not pay healthcare workers? Is there an implication I’m missing here?

 

[OHvol40]

Who is "everyone else"

The world.

 

[0nelilreb]

I’m not advocating for skilled healthcare workers to not be paid, do other universal systems not pay healthcare workers? Is there an implication I’m missing here?

You are pro health as a right and for a government ran system correct ?

 

[hog88]

I’m not advocating for skilled healthcare workers to not be paid, do other universal systems not pay healthcare workers? Is there an implication I’m missing here?

Apparently so.

 

[hog88]

The world.

Yeah, I'll pass on the quality of care available to most of "the world".

 

[NEO]

Should we cap grocery stores at 3% profit?

I definitely see where you are going with this but supply and demand play a huge part here.

Not so sure supply and demand work the same with health care.

You plan kind of tells you where to go and you either go or stay sick.

I can choose between vandy or st Thomas but it's not like I got Costco, Sam's, walmart, aldi, kroger, publix, piggly wiggly, fresh market, and whole foods to pick from who are all competing for my business.

Just my opinion though.

 

[hog88]

I would like to see the complete elimination of (what I call) employer provided comprehensive health insurance plans and go to individually purchased major medical (high deductible) type plans. With premiums being 100% tax write offs regardless of filing status or income and pretax contributions to health savings accounts allowed.

Basically you pay cash for all wellness and minor services and your major medical is there to pay for catastrophic events.

 

[NEO]

Here is another issue....

My father had open heart surgery at centennial two years ago. They did an awesome job.

They billed over 100k but charged the insurance company like 30k. Wrote 70k off.

Now here is the issue.

The write off is a cpa tool to lowe tax basis so they made 30k but for tax purposes actually took a 70k loss.

And this should have been 30k across the board no matter what for everyone, insurance or not.

 

[NEO]

I would like to see the complete elimination of (what I call) employer provided comprehensive health insurance plans and go to individually purchased major medical (high deductible) type plans. With premiums being 100% tax write offs regardless of filing status or income and pretax contributions to health savings accounts allowed.

Basically you pay cash for all wellness and minor services and your major medical is there to pay for catastrophic events.

Or buy a supplemental add on for basic care.

 

[Purple Tiger]

How do we "trust" them to do it? Can we tell them not to if we dont trust them.

It's called oversight. Believe me, Medicaid and Medicare do almost constant compliance evaluations.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Should we cap grocery stores at 3% profit?

Are you equating a retail establishment and healthcare? Honestly, I don't believe in for profit medicine. This country did not have that problem 60 years ago and it is why healthcare costs so much today.

 

[hog88]

Are you equating a retail establishment and healthcare? Honestly, I don't believe in for profit medicine. This country did not have that problem 60 years ago and it is why healthcare costs so much today.

We've always had "for-profit" healthcare. The establishment of Medicare and Medicaid along with unions gaining employer provided health insurance is what screwed everything up.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Are you equating a retail establishment and healthcare? Honestly, I don't believe in for profit medicine. This country did not have that problem 60 years ago and it is why healthcare costs so much today.

Ask yourself what else happened 60 years ago which caused these issues

 

[BeecherVol]

The government has about as much business running healthcare as they do your retirement/SS.

You would just be changing the name of who is ripping you off.

 

[VolStrom]

We've always had "for-profit" healthcare. The establishment of Medicare and Medicaid along with unions gaining employer provided health insurance is what screwed everything up.

So you think that medicare and unions ruined healthcare?

 

[Rickyvol77]

So you think that medicare and unions ruined healthcare?

They don’t help. They have so many regulations and impediments that drive up costs and reduce care

 

[FLVOL_79]

The government magically creating trillions of dollars to pass around to everyone just makes the affordability argument of a free healthcare for all scenario stronger. Thats the reality.

 

[VolStrom]

They don’t help. They have so many regulations and impediments that drive up costs and reduce care

So what regulations and impediments do union healthcare benefits have that any regular BCBS plan doesn't?

 

[RavinDave]

Do you offer an option?

If customer wants to use ACH sure. We also accept credit cards for smaller orders but customer has to pay 5% extra and usually is Ok with that. International customers (except sometimes those freakin’ Canucks) always pay by wire though.

 

[82_VOL_83]

LOL, what? Insurance companies aren't going to pay what a doctor 'decides', even if they inflate it 2x the cost. That's not how it works...

Ask any physician and they'll tell you that the reimbursements for procedures get whittled away at every year. It's like pulling teeth to get the insurance company to cover costs - many MD's are simply unwilling to work with some major medical insurers these days.

Reimbursements for procedures are based in most part on current Medicare reimbursement schedules. Ergo, when you see a charge for a gazillion dollars on your insurance, you then see the negotiated rate of $75. Insurance takes over from there. I know exactly how it works.

 

[hog88]

So you think that medicare and unions ruined healthcare?

No, they have been the biggest reasons to the run up in costs.

 

[VolStrom]

No, they have been the biggest reasons to the run up in costs.

********. The reason costs have have gone up is government regulations. Unions only cover a minute fraction of people.

 

[OHvol40]

You are pro health as a right and for a government ran system correct ?

Yes

 

[OHvol40]

Yeah, I'll pass on the quality of care available to most of "the world".

Based on what?

 

[TheDeeble]

Should we cap grocery stores at 3% profit?

Your on target with where it will go. Not immediately but that's the direction it will end up.