The Tiger Woods saga

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1972 Grad said:
12) I firmly think that if he had kept his thin body type, not lifted weights, and kept his swing that he had coming out of college, and not tried to change instructors to make the perfect golf swing, that he would have won over 20 majors by now. Good grief, he won the Masters by 12 shots with that. At least, I think it was 12.
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I believe he claims he changed his swing in the early 2000s (after the Tiger slam) because it was putting too much torque on his left knee, and he wanted to develop a swing that would be easier on his body as he aged. He ended up blowing out that knee anyway just a few years later.
 
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volfanbill said:
and this is why you're a by definition idiot. A right handed golfer with at least 3, probably more, back surgeries, 3 left knee operations and a torn left Achilles injury is only to a lesser extent bothered by this plus the fact that he's 41 years old. Science and facts be da**ed to you.
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3 weeks ago, Hank Haney said (about Tiger) on his radio show that "when you start playing musical instructors, it's not a good thing."
Listen man, I have an opinion, and an opinion is just that. Just because you have a different one doesn't make someone else an idiot. It means that we have a different opinion. You may be wrong. I may be wrong. That doesn't make anyone an idiot.

I have a right to my opinion, and would be more inclined to blame it all on injuries, but I read at the end of last year that he was feeling no pain, and shooting great scores at home. He led the field in birdies at the event in December. Maybe at this minute he is in too much pain to play, but he didn't appear to be in his 3 starts since he came back.
 
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05_never_again said:
I believe he claims he changed his swing in the early 2000s (after the Tiger slam) because it was putting too much torque on his left knee, and he wanted to develop a swing that would be easier on his body as he aged. He ended up blowing out that knee anyway just a few years later.
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I know that he first changed his swing because he had an early, fairly violent leg drive (as a lot of junior players do) that dropped the club well behind his body on the downswing. That meant his lower body was out in front of his hands and arms near impact. Then he had to try to flip the club through impact to save the shot.

I know that he and Butch worked on Tiger's posture and spine angle, weakened his grip, and tried to get him to keep the club more in front of his body on the backswing. He raised Tiger's head at address, straightened his slump over the ball, and stopped him from dragging the club inside on his first move back.

They worked on stopping Tiger's backswing at the top, dropped the club in front of his body, and got him to feel like he started down with his arms beating his body back to the ball. Of course it was just a feel thing since Tiger was out of sync. They shortened his arm swing, also because he got the club behind him.

Then, it was on to Hank Haney, then Sean Foley, and Chris Como, or something like that. He has started played musical instructors. That has to cause some problems.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I guess I'm with Chamblee, and Doozer and VF are with Begay and Nobilo. They will be along to call Chamblee an idiot shortly.
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Most everyone calls Chamblee am idiot. He's the Skip Bayless of the Golf Channel, paid solely to say the outrageous, over the top ratings ploys.
 
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volfanbill said:
Most everyone calls Chamblee am idiot. He's the Skip Bayless of the Golf Channel, paid solely to say the outrageous, over the top ratings ploys.
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Which parts of his swing analysis do you disagree with and why? Shaft lean? Launch angle? Trackman numbers? Distance from the fairway?
 
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volfanbill said:
Most everyone calls Chamblee am idiot. He's the Skip Bayless of the Golf Channel, paid solely to say the outrageous, over the top ratings ploys.
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Bayless would never go into any sort of in-depth analysis on a technical aspect of the game like that. Chamblee does say some over-the-top things sometimes but that is a pretty sober analysis right there.

I'm no expert on the golf swing, but what he says about Tiger's swing makes a lot of logical sense.
 
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05_never_again said:
Bayless would never go into any sort of in-depth analysis on a technical aspect of the game like that. Chamblee does say some over-the-top things sometimes but that is a pretty sober analysis right there.

I'm no expert on the golf swing, but what he says about Tiger's swing makes a lot of logical sense.
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I know quite a bit about the swing, and I won't disagree with what he said.
 
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05_never_again said:
I believe he claims he changed his swing in the early 2000s (after the Tiger slam) because it was putting too much torque on his left knee, and he wanted to develop a swing that would be easier on his body as he aged. He ended up blowing out that knee anyway just a few years later.
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even with the changes, it still seemed like he swung at 110% on every shot...
 
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05_never_again said:
I believe he claims he changed his swing in the early 2000s (after the Tiger slam) because it was putting too much torque on his left knee, and he wanted to develop a swing that would be easier on his body as he aged. He ended up blowing out that knee anyway just a few years later.
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I think that either Butch or Haney stacked him up over the ball, with his spine more vertical, to better to cut down on how much his upper body was inclined away from the target at address. I believe that since his main swing problem has always been that his lower body raced ahead of his arms, therefore his upper body was angled more behind the ball at impact.

They wanted his left hip to stay over his left knee at impact, instead of the knee being out front, and snapping straight at impact when his weight shifted forward. They wanted his hip turn to be more level. At least, I think that would be what they were trying to accomplish. More of a rotary motion, in place of the slide. Trying to kill 2 birds with one stone.
 
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1972 Grad said:
He always tried to swing too hard with the driver in my mind. His short iron and wedge swing was very smooth and unhurried.
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I agree. I remember seeing him at the old BellSouth Classic in Atlanta not long after he won his first Masters. To this day I've never seen swing speed like that in my life.

I always thought Tiger got progressively worse with the driver after he switched to Haney and that one plane stuff.
 
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GAVol said:
I agree. I remember seeing him at the old BellSouth Classic in Atlanta not long after he won his first Masters. To this day I've never seen swing speed like that in my life.

I always thought Tiger got progressively worse with the driver after he switched to Haney and that one plane stuff.
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He did get progressively worse with the driver after changing to Haney. He was able to hit a big cut then, however. His club position at the top changed from shaft pointing down the line or even slightly right of target and toe of club pointing somewhat downward, to club face pointing upward (shut), and shaft pointing left of target with Haney. He had less clubface rotation with Haney, left arm in a flatter plane, and left wrist slightly bowed.

His swing was much more natural looking when he first started, even though he had flaws. He still has flaws, but looks like he is thinking too much about making a perfect swing.

I think that it is remarkable how well he has done after changing his swing that many times. It also makes me realize how hard it would be for the average guy to make changes in his swing, with nowhere near the ability or time to attempt it. I think that is why lessons for the average guy don't work very well.
 
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1972 Grad said:
He did get progressively worse with the driver after changing to Haney. He was able to hit a big cut then, however. His club position at the top changed from shaft pointing down the line or even slightly right of target and toe of club pointing somewhat downward, to club face pointing upward (shut), and shaft pointing left of target with Haney. He had less clubface rotation with Haney, left arm in a flatter plane, and left wrist slightly bowed.

His swing was much more natural looking when he first started, even though he had flaws. He still has flaws, but looks like he is thinking too much about making a perfect swing.

I think that it is remarkable how well he has done after changing his swing that many times. It also makes me realize how hard it would be for the average guy to make changes in his swing, with nowhere near the ability or time to attempt it. I think that is why lessons for the average guy don't work very well.
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Are you a golf pro, '72?
 
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volfanbill said:
I bet 72 is surprised seeing as he thought Tiger was faking before.
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I didn't think he would play. He said his game wasn't in tournament shape. I have seen enough of him in the last few outings to know that.

Edit: The good news is that if you always wanted to play golf like Tiger Woods, now you can!
 
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