The Walking Dead

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Coug said:
The season premiere for next year will be the shows 100th episode.

Someone is going to have to explain to me why a lot of people only watch the first and last episodes of a season? Check out the viewer numbers for the show. It's listed in millions on the far right of each entry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Walking_Dead_episodes

Each season you see a spike in viewers only watching the season premiere episodes then it drops, then it picks up again on the season finale.
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This is the first season since Season 1 that the finale didn't really get a big bump from the next to last episode.

My guess is a lot of people might not watch it every week and either keep on their DVR or get the app and binge before the finale.
 
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Coug said:
Actually, that's not entirely accurate. DVR viewings are factored in. If you've ever read about tv reviews and ratings you'll come across a term like "Live-Plus". There is live plus same day, live plus three, live plus seven. Live-Plus-three meaning the day the show aired plus anyone who watched the show within 3 days. Live-plus-seven accounts for 7 days after a show aired.
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It's relative to your system.
They can monitor newer internet based systems such as Genie and Hopper, but not the older digital recorders.
So while you are not wrong, neither is the person you are responding to.
There is still a huge number of viewers on a non internet based platform. Mostly because unlimited data is still in short supply relatively. So there are many watching the entire season but only watching the premiere and finale in a manner that can be gauged.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The solo episodes is a fair criticism. Although I do think they did a better job of spreading out the story lines a little better this season. The Tara episodes is one of the few exceptions.

But this is the fan paradox of the show. We want more of the the core characters (Rick, Daryl, Carol, Michonne, Maggie, carl, & ???) but at the same time we want meaningful deaths on the show. How many times have the random Alexandrians been called Red Shirts (and it was the same way with the Woodbury refugees at the prison)
To make them meaningful there has to be a constant cycle of introducing new characters and developing them enough to care about when they meet their inevitable end. To do this you have to take screen time away from the core group. Then you are left with this predictable formula where the core group appear "safe" which strips a lot of the drama out. Or the new character is built up in such a way you know they aren't going to last (see Morgan's pupil from the Kingdom). Add to that they have to keep coming up with creative ways to kill off the characters so it seems like they matter.
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That is certainly a valid point. Maybe it all just boils down to poor writing because I was trying to think of who the likable characters were this season or at least the characters that I enjoyed when they were on screen. Outside of Negan, Rick and Maggie, I felt like there was just a ton of whining and stupidity the characters really got on my nerves.

I think it is really where this show suffers as opposed to something like Game of Thrones, where even if you don't like every character, they are at least interesting and developing the entire time. Everyone hated Joffrey and Ramsey, but at least you were entertained when they were on screen. I can't imagine very many people enjoyed watching spans of Carol, Morgan, Daryl, Sasha, Rosita, etc. all making poor decisions or crying every single episode. Then they give more time to Tara, Ezekiel and Dwight and these types of characters and they are also sitting around sulking. At this point, I am not really sure what they could do to turn it around since they are so far into this Negan arc and dedicated this entire season to being a setup for next season.
 
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#9,081
First scenes of next season should be the destruction of the garbage people. Poisoning their water supply so that they don't get any further dialogue would be just perfect. Have Rick's crew walking through taking the guns back and taking all their heads as they go.

Then cut to a large catapult flinging all the heads into the Saviors compound. Garbage leader head on an RC truck that Carl rolls right up to Negan...

Three scenes max.

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The garbage people were dumb from the start. We need someone to betray Rick. Let's just invent these weirdos with no backstory, and have Rick completely trust them for some reason.

Lazy and predictable.
 
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SWIL said:
http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-review-reasons-failed/

An unapologetic take on season 7. I found myself agreeing with basically the entire article. I also think the show runners will earn redemption in season 8.
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Seems reasonable to me. That line near the end though about Gimple thinking the show could go for 20 years is exactly why I don't see the show bouncing back. I want it to, but it is seems pretty clear at this point they are focused on quantity over quality.

I really hope the All Out War is done by the midseason finale because that would mean they fit a lot of material into 8 episodes most likely. But I am worried they are going to have a solid first episode then revert right back to the dragging stuff out unnecessarily after that. I think probably after the first 3 or 4 episodes they are going to lose a lot of fans in an unrecoverable way.
 
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SWIL said:
http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-review-reasons-failed/

An unapologetic take on season 7. I found myself agreeing with basically the entire article. I also think the show runners will earn redemption in season 8.
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The article pretty much said everything I've said about this season. I'll say this again too: This show has diluted it's core group, it's best actors, the ones that everyone actually cares about. They need to get back to focusing on the best characters and ditching all these other people nobody gives a damn about. I haven't read the comics but from what I've heard I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. Couple that with the fact that I don't think the show runners have the balls to deviate from the comic book story line to actually make things interesting and uncharted. After this war I think we'll be stuck bouncing between The Kingdom, The Hilltop, Rick's group/Alexandria, and whatever becomes of the Savior camp. We'll continue to have a virtual county of communities that will all get to share the screen instead of focusing on the main characters.
 
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TheDeeble said:
The garbage people were dumb from the start. We need someone to betray Rick. Let's just invent these weirdos with no backstory, and have Rick completely trust them for some reason.

Lazy and predictable.
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Agreed. They shouldn't even be in the show.
 
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zreeves said:
Seems reasonable to me. That line near the end though about Gimple thinking the show could go for 20 years is exactly why I don't see the show bouncing back. I want it to, but it is seems pretty clear at this point they are focused on quantity over quality.

I really hope the All Out War is done by the midseason finale because that would mean they fit a lot of material into 8 episodes most likely. But I am worried they are going to have a solid first episode then revert right back to the dragging stuff out unnecessarily after that. I think probably after the first 3 or 4 episodes they are going to lose a lot of fans in an unrecoverable way.
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Next they'll be taking on The Whispers.
 
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Stoked said:
Next they'll be taking on The Whispers.
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Knowing Gimple, it'll be Season 9 or even Season 10 before the Whispers ever show up if he continues to drag unnecessary material out. I'd rather them follow the comics but mix up the deaths, get to the main plot line instead of adding filler to every episode. I'd love for the show to go on for a very long time but if it continues to go this route, a lot of viewers will get bored quick including myself.
 
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Stoked said:
Next they'll be taking on The Whispers.
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In the comics, the Whisperers were my favorite group because of how creepy they are. If it were up to me, the All Out War would be the first half of season 8, the Whisperers would be the second half of 8 and first half of 9 and then the show would wrap up the second half of 9 or maybe even a 10th season if they could do it well, but based on the trajectory of the show I really don't have much confidence in that.
 
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zreeves said:
In the comics, the Whisperers were my favorite group because of how creepy they are. If it were up to me, the All Out War would be the first half of season 8, the Whisperers would be the second half of 8 and first half of 9 and then the show would wrap up the second half of 9 or maybe even a 10th season if they could do it well, but based on the trajectory of the show I really don't have much confidence in that.
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Is there anything after the Whisperers in the comics?
 
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Coug said:
The article pretty much said everything I've said about this season. I'll say this again too: This show has diluted it's core group, it's best actors, the ones that everyone actually cares about. They need to get back to focusing on the best characters and ditching all these other people nobody gives a damn about. I haven't read the comics but from what I've heard I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. Couple that with the fact that I don't think the show runners have the balls to deviate from the comic book story line to actually make things interesting and uncharted. After this war I think we'll be stuck bouncing between The Kingdom, The Hilltop, Rick's group/Alexandria, and whatever becomes of the Savior camp. We'll continue to have a virtual county of communities that will all get to share the screen instead of focusing on the main characters.
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I don't think the problem is sticking to the comic; the problem is the crap they added to the comic stuff that was bad and completely unneccessary.

The comic has no Garbage Pail Kids, or the Women's Club.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think the problem is sticking to the comic; the problem is the crap they added to the comic stuff that was bad and completely unneccessary.

The comic has no Garbage Pail Kids, or the Women's Club.
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I wonder if they have more plans for the women's club in the future. Otherwise they were a 2 episode filler who's only purpose was a place for Rick to get weapons.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think the problem is sticking to the comic; the problem is the crap they added to the comic stuff that was bad and completely unneccessary.

The comic has no Garbage Pail Kids, or the Women's Club.
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The garbage people and the estrogen club weren't even what bothered me the most out of this season. My biggest complaints this season can be listed like this: Carol, Morgan, Ezekiel, The idiot from the Kingdom that got himself and the kid killed, Daryl's multi-episode torture, Sasha and Rosita acting like the world revolved around them while making epically stupid decisions, pretty much every episode that featured the Kingdom, and Negan's never ending diatribes.
 
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Coug said:
The garbage people and the estrogen club weren't even what bothered me the most out of this season. My biggest complaints this season can be listed like this: Carol, Morgan, Ezekiel, The idiot from the Kingdom that got himself and the kid killed, Daryl's multi-episode torture, Sasha and Rosita acting like the world revolved around them while making epically stupid decisions, pretty much every episode that featured the Kingdom, and Negan's never ending diatribes.
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Sasha and Rosita's story line was probably the most true to life...look around you, every where there are more and more totally self-absorbed people who have no clue that the world doesn't revolve around them. Just emphasized by most social media. Very few team players left.

Were there to be an actual apocalypse, the me first crowd will get the most others killed...
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Sasha and Rosita's story line was probably the most true to life...look around you, every where there are more and more totally self-absorbed people who have no clue that the world doesn't revolve around them. Just emphasized by most social media. Very few team players left.

Were there to be an actual apocalypse, the me first crowd will get the most others killed...
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It doesn't make it less dumb though.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Sasha and Rosita's story line was probably the most true to life...look around you, every where there are more and more totally self-absorbed people who have no clue that the world doesn't revolve around them. Just emphasized by most social media. Very few team players left.

Were there to be an actual apocalypse, the me first crowd will get the most others killed...
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Yeah, but we're like 5 years into the apocalypse. They're making rookie mistakes, which as I said earlier is one of the problems I have with the show: all these hardened walker vets keep making all these rookie mistakes over and over and don't appear to actually learn things.

Which is another way the comic is better because the characters rarely make these types of mistakes. I mean I could see it happening maybe once, but it's a recurring theme of the show of someone going off on their own and screwing up everyone else.
 
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