The Win over South Carolina Looks pretty good

[Boca Vol]

So #9 South Carolina beating #19 Wisconsin makes UT's win against South Carolina look better? Not really. South Carolina was supposed to beat Wisconsin and everyone knows the Big 10 sucks.

 

[Burger]

Somebody on this forum actually tried to knock the win down, but this is Butch's first signature win here. He's had others in other places.

 

[Burger]

IMO, the OL comes down to finding a LT. If they do then I think the O will improve overall. I like the upcoming guys for their aggression. Other than wanting to have guys in the draft he could point to when recruiting, I am not sure why Jones didn't replace some of the starters with guys like Crowder anyway. Aggression from an OL makes up for ALOT of talent assuming the athletic talent gap was very much.

The only other player lost who made a contribution this year is Neal. He should be replaceable from the group they have. If Azzani is better than what he showed this year (and I hope he is) then the receivers should take a huge leap forward.

I think we'll see better execution and more productivity.


The D to me is the real issue. I have close to zero confidence in Jancek. Sorry. Just the truth. They lose a ton of experience on the DL. LB still won't be deep. I for one have not dissed the talent of the secondary. But the DC has to stop putting them in positions to fail.

Our experienced DL sucked anyways. I think our DL will actually improve without all of that bad experience. Linebackers will be much better next year. If we can't get pressure, Wtf do expect a secondary to do. Any secondary will get killed without dline pressure, which we sucked at.

Crowder was playing... He got put at C while Stone was LG. I think next years Oline will be better because of said aggression.

 

[jasonvol18]

It's amazing to think we beat a team that could very easily be playing in the NC.

It was definitely a good win. But they would have never beaten AU in the SEC game. But fans claiming it wasnt a signature win are crazy as hell. Just unfortunate we couldn't build on that win but in the coming yrs we will have more of those wins.

 

[jasonvol18]

So #9 South Carolina beating #19 Wisconsin makes UT's win against South Carolina look better? Not really. South Carolina was supposed to beat Wisconsin and everyone knows the Big 10 sucks.

Not true. Wisconsin was favored by 3 in that game. Wisc was supposed to win if you go by the line.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I'm really not pro or against Worley but as far as I remember he was the QB vs Oregon, and also played the whole second half vs UF (had horrible late interception to seal that loss). He just seems to take forever to wind up and deliver the ball (Dobbs on the other hand often looked inaccurate and lacking touch).

The Oregon game was an abomination but Worley didnt play that bad. The defense was shredded and looked slow as mud against Oregon's speedy athletes.

And Justin Worley didn't seal the UF loss, Nate Peterman did. Worley actually gave us a punchers chance trying to dig us out of the hole Peterman put us in.

 

[TGVol]

The Oregon game was an abomination but Worley didnt play that bad. The defense was shredded and looked slow as mud against Oregon's speedy athletes.

And Justin Worley didn't seal the UF loss, Nate Peterman did. Worley actually gave us a punchers chance trying to dig us out of the hole Peterman put us in.

Disagree completely. Worley looked awful vs Oregon with exception of one early TD pass, and vs UF as soon as we got closer in the second half he threw that horrible interception into double coverage (if I remember correctly we were even within FG range when he forced that).

 

[Burger]

The Oregon game was an abomination but Worley didnt play that bad. The defense was shredded and looked slow as mud against Oregon's speedy athletes.

And Justin Worley didn't seal the UF loss, Nate Peterman did. Worley actually gave us a punchers chance trying to dig us out of the hole Peterman put us in.

Worley has proven in every game he played in that he sucks man. He almost blew the SC game multiple times. Worley would of had 3 picks if he played all UF.

 

[chuck0303]

Oh Good Lord, here comes Mr. Doom and Gloom to try and rain on everyone's parade.

I guess you forgot we had our 3rd string quarterback in?

I guess you forgot we would've won without one clipping call?

I guess you forgot we won the game until they overturned the 4th down call (which has happened to us more times the past few years than it should have)?[/QUOTE


All excuses they made the right call n people on this board wanted Dobbs from day one but now u use him as an excuse.. Classic vn

All excellent points but as to the 4th down call overturned, it was the right call, sad to say. Also, we had UGA beat but you really can't blame the players' effort to try to get the TD. Stuff like that happens, look at Bama's loss to Auburn. what bothers me is the media kept saying we had the best O line in the country just because they had played together for 4 yrs. I don't believe that for a second; good, yes, best not by a long shot. My concern though is replacing them. I put my faith in Butch & the coaches coaching up their new talent. 2014 is going to be a good year for the VOLS!

 

[chuck0303]

Disagree completely. Worley looked awful vs Oregon with exception of one early TD pass, and vs UF as soon as we got closer in the second half he threw that horrible interception into double coverage (if I remember correctly we were even within FG range when he forced that).

Let's put everything into perspective. Oregon has beat everyone I believe except for 2 losses, 1 to Stanford and 1 to Arizona State I believe--I forget. They also beat Texas which wasn't a surprise to me. They are just super quick and outrun their competition mostly. secondly, didn't we beat USCjr when they had a whole bunch of injured key players. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about the W but I thought they had a bunch of injuries that hampered them; same for UGA; don't think we got the best game from either one of those teams. No since in being a Monday morning QB, just looking forward to 2014's team.

 

[sjt18]

No, because we won a game we were overmatched in. Now, the Vandy loss was questionable. But, after losing North and learning Dobbs was injured it makes more sense.

Ah, so the logic only works when it renders the conclusion you want to believe. When it tilts the other way... then it doesn't work.

Sorry... but no.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

facts= boom!


you ruined all their fun, Boca...

Actually they won't even end up in the top 15

Facts= Boom!

I ruined all your fun, Wylo.

 

[Wylo]

No, because we won a game we were overmatched in. Now, the Vandy loss was questionable. But, after losing North and learning Dobbs was injured it makes more sense.

more excuses.. you guys want to get all the shine for the wins, but deflect any blame for the bad losses..

typical.

 

[sjt18]

Our experienced DL sucked anyways. I think our DL will actually improve without all of that bad experience.

Coaching was a factor and especially IMO on the coordinator level. If Jancek does not do better... then there will be no improvement. He was not good this year and I am unsure how ANYONE can try to argue that. In the last 70 years, he is second only to Sunseri at UT in scoring D for a season.

Linebackers will be much better next year.

I hope they are but again I don't trust the DC. Chavis or Wilcox would have had JRM playing a significant role if not starting at OLB by mid-season. This group did not improve. The guys who played did not get better. The guys who didn't play were not developed to the point of contributing.

If we can't get pressure, Wtf do expect a secondary to do. Any secondary will get killed without dline pressure, which we sucked at.

I actually agree with that. I also think Stripling is not only a competent coach but above average. I think he did in fact have talent to work with. UT did not have a single sack by a LB this year. Not one. That STRONGLY suggests schemes, gameplanning, and playcalling as a cause more than talent.

Crowder was playing... He got put at C while Stone was LG. I think next years Oline will be better because of said aggression.

Love Crowder. Really like what we've seen/heard about Kerbyson and Wiesman too. There's little not to love about M Jackson. I seriously believe that these guys could be a better UNIT than the last guys even though they may not match up man for man athletically.

The key is finding an LT.

 

[KBVol]

you can't suck all the credit for beating USCe and then completely forget about the garbage performance vs. Vandy at home..

Yes he can. He was talking only about the SCar game. You can separate the two....one wasn't dependent on the other.

I can say that the team was very well coached, played with great intensity, made clutch plays, had their most experienced QB under center and beat a top 10 team. Great job by the coaching staff. That game was great.

I can then, separate from the SCar game, discuss the vanderbilt game which was arguably the most disappointing game of the season because our offense, in particular the passing game was completely inept, we had a couple of unforgivable special teams breakdowns, and our defense, which had kept us in the game all day, folded like a cheap tent on the last drive when it was time to win the game. Bad overall job by the coaching staff, in particular those responsible for the passing game... Bajakian and Azzani, and Jones. That game was awful.

 

[sjt18]

I have a decent amount of confidence in the O staff other than Z. I have little confidence in the D staff. The things I most question Jones about is his staff selection and how he will handle it if some coaches are not up to the task. Would he fire Jancek if they do not improve or get worse next fall... or excuse him... again?

 

[terrypedigo]

If we just had a QB that could hit a 10 yard out, we would be in a bowl.

 

[butchna]

more excuses.. you guys want to get all the shine for the wins, but deflect any blame for the bad losses..

typical.

And you want to inflate the Vandy loss whilst minimizing the signature win...equally typical
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[butchna]

I have a decent amount of confidence in the O staff other than Z. I have little confidence in the D staff. The things I most question Jones about is his staff selection and how he will handle it if some coaches are not up to the task. Would he fire Jancek if they do not improve or get worse next fall... or excuse him... again?

Can't wait until the future hurries up and happens...then you can go to the bathroom
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[knoxvols11]

So did our win overy Cincy a few years ago!

 

[thadolphinman]

So a thread that was created to talk about a great win against South Carolina, has now turned into a debate about bad coaching and losing to Vandy. Would have never thought that would happen...

 

[steino]

The Oregon game was an abomination but Worley didnt play that bad. The defense was shredded and looked slow as mud against Oregon's speedy athletes.

And Justin Worley didn't seal the UF loss, Nate Peterman did. Worley actually gave us a punchers chance trying to dig us out of the hole Peterman put us in.

He threw for 126 yards and 50 of those yards were on one play. Pedestrian at best.

 

[TGVol]

So a thread that was created to talk about a great win against South Carolina, has now turned into a debate about bad coaching and losing to Vandy. Would have never thought that would happen...

You can't have an unbalanced sunshine pumping thread without anyone stepping in to tone it down with some dose or reality. Same would have happened if someone isolated Vandy game and started a completely negative thread - then sunshine pumpers would have jumped in and redirected that thread (probably towards SCjr game). So the lesson for everyone is don't start any thread with false expectations that everyone (or even majority) will agree with you (and most likely your thread will get re-directed sooner rather than later). :crazy:

 

[thadolphinman]

You can't have an unbalanced sunshine pumping thread without anyone stepping in to tone it down with some dose or reality. Same would have happened if someone isolated Vandy game and started a completely negative thread - then sunshine pumpers would have jumped in and redirected that thread (probably towards SCjr game). So the lesson for everyone is don't start any thread with false expectations that everyone (or even majority) will agree with you (and most likely your thread will get re-directed sooner rather than later). :crazy:

I don't think you caught my sarcasm. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an attempt to find a consensus middle, but every single thread on here seems to eventually devolve from the subject matter to bad coaching and the loss to Vandy. TBH, it gets really old, tiring, and boring.

 

[sjt18]

So a thread that was created to talk about a great win against South Carolina, has now turned into a debate about bad coaching and losing to Vandy. Would have never thought that would happen...

A thread started to do that invites criticism of the poorly coached games. You can't have 5 or 6 poor coaching efforts, start a thread about the one good win, and expect no response.