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#226
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volprof said:
The ol' burn or believe argument. I don't care. Even if it were true, imo, I still wouldn't care. I refuse to accept a god that has a place like hell in store for people simply because they refuse to follow him. So, in essence, I don't care.

I don't mean for that to sound hateful. I'm just saying I prefer to defend people I know to be real with real needs (i.e., gay people in the U.S.) in the here and now.
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I never understand that argument. Basically it says that if you say you're a Christian because you're afraid of hell then you're cool and saved and whatnot. That's more or less what it implies.
 
#228
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volprof said:
The ol' burn or believe argument. I don't care. Even if it were true, imo, I still wouldn't care. I refuse to accept a god that has a place like hell in store for people simply because they refuse to follow him. So, in essence, I don't care.

I don't mean for that to sound hateful. I'm just saying I prefer to defend people I know to be real with real needs (i.e., gay people in the U.S.) in the here and now.
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Now we have fleshed out your real view. The God I know has shown me an endless love that cannot be expressed in words. He is my best friend and has shown me his love in times of need. I hope one day you have the courage and humility to ask him to come into your life! I will sincerely pray for you!
 
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RockVol said:
People want to be gay, that's there choice. I don't want them out saying I'm a homophobe if I think it is wrong and sickening. And that book written by some dudes 2000 years ago, is 100% true.
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So a guy built a ship and put 14000 animals on it. A ship that would be larger than any ship ever built? I guess I'm getting sidetracked no need to attack you because I don't care what you believe, but you shouldn't base your dislike of gays off of that book. How did he feed 14000 animals?
 
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#232
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hibbs said:
So let me get this straight, we should have separate locker rooms based upon sexual orientation now?
You feel this same way about lesbians in a female locker room?
Hell, lets start having separate lunch tables and water fountains for those who we don't agree with on everyday social issues, I hear that worked out great for our country 50-60 years ago.
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Yes on the first part.. I wouldn't want gay guys in my locker room or lesbians in my daughters locker room one day.

Ur in outer space on the second part.
 
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KnoxVillain said:
Prove it.
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It's a undisputed fact that Jesus was here, there is accounts of people seeing him commit miracles. I believe it. If you don't that's just you. Disprove it! You can't. One day everyone will find out. The Bible has also predicted many things that have came true. Stop attacking a religion.
 
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jjay2518 said:
I never understand that argument. Basically it says that if you say you're a Christian because you're afraid of hell then you're cool and saved and whatnot. That's more or less what it implies.
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No I am not saying that, God does! I am saying I am a Christian because Jesus died on the cross for my sins and I humbled myself, confessed my sins, and asked him to come into my heart! It's not about hell it's all about love!
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
So a guy built a ship and put 14000 animals on it. A ship that would be larger than any ship ever built? I guess I'm getting sidetracked no need to attack you because I don't care what you believe, but you shouldn't base your dislike of gays off of that book. How did he feed 14000 animals?
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Never said I disliked gays. I dislike gayness. Gayness is a sin according to what I believe. And yes, I do believe that Noah built a ship and put 2 of every animal on it. And I also don't care what you believe.
 
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Would you rather die a believer and it turn out to not be true, or die not a believer and it turn out to be true? Some food for thought.
 
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you said:
Not sure if you're asking a serious question or trying to prove something....

God allows skeptics to believe lies. If you're skeptical about Christ then he'll allow this issue to be a stumbling block for you.
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I'm being completely serious. What makes you think the Bible you prefer is the one that is divinely inspired and authorized? All the versions I mentioned are real and accepted by different groups of believers.
 
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GoVols15 said:
No I am not saying that, God does! I am saying I am a Christian because Jesus died on the cross for my sins and I humbled myself, confessed my sins, and asked him to come into my heart! It's not about hell it's all about love!
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Here is a real question. In the year 0 people in china would have no way of knowing about Jesus. What happened to them?
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
Ron, Villian, volprof I'll end it here. No one is in any position to judge another. No one is better another. We were all born into this world destined for hell and the only saving grace is the blood of Jesus. I love you like brothers just like we are called to love everyone like brothers and sisters in Christ. Gay or straight, black or white, Republican or Democrat. Every religion/belief has those that twist reality just like every football fan base does. Whether you like it or not I'll be praying for you.

Go Vols.
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I know I'm not going to change your mind and I won't try to but that sentence I highlighted just blows my mind that human beings in this day and age actually believe that. I don't know, it just seems like such a ridiculous and silly idea to me. Little beautiful babies are destined to burn in hell? Makes me laugh at the ridiculousness of such things.

But please, pray for me, I need all the help I can get! :)


GBO
 
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ACvol3 said:
Yes on the first part.. I wouldn't want gay guys in my locker room or lesbians in my daughters locker room one day.

Ur in outer space on the second part.
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Seems like you have some personal issues to get through if you aren't comfortable enough in your own skin around other men of differing sexual orientations.
They aren't worried about you and your "junk" as you so eloquently put it earlier.
 
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jjay2518 said:
I never understand that argument. Basically it says that if you say you're a Christian because you're afraid of hell then you're cool and saved and whatnot. That's more or less what it implies.
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Yep. It's completely useless and proves nothing, other than one's fear and one's desire for self-preservation. It doesn't prove altruistic love for a god. I don't care what anybody says in opposition.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
I know I'm not going to change your mind and I won't try to but that sentence I highlighted just blows my mind that human beings in this day and age actually believe that. I don't know, it just seems like such a ridiculous and silly idea to me. Little beautiful babies are destined to burn in hell? Makes me laugh at the ridiculousness of such things.

But please, pray for me, I need all the help I can get! :)


GBO
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This just reeks of smugness.
 
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you said:
Well Slydell, read it.

His Mom was a virgin when he was born. He is the Son of God. He healed people. He disciples 12 guys and commissioned them to tell the world about him, and they did. He turned over a bunch of tables in the temple out of anger. He never sinned. He died on a cross to pay the price for my sins, was buried, and 3 days after that he arose from the dead to conquer death; so that I couldlive eternity in heaven. Right now he's in heaven. In the future he'll come back to Earth, and he rule the earth for 1,000 years, have one last battle with Satan, then destroy the earth with fire.
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This is another view of Jesus:
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#249
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you said:
Disprove it.
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You can't do either. So should we just go around believing everything that can't be disproved because it could technically exist? You can't disprove the world is ruled by shape shifting lizard people either.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Nope, it's a fact. In fact, a friend of mine who happens to be gay once said, "Why would I choose to be gay? Life is hard enough as it is. I can't help who I am."
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that's odd. one of my friends sister is Gay and she said she got tired of her husband and started going to Gay bars with her friends and the next thing she knew she was wanting to be with women. She was straight for 28years and never seen herself with a woman. She never once blamed it on being born gay.
I don't care if people are gay or not. but to hear they are born that way is wrong and that is my opinion. People are not born a murder or a dope head etc... its a choice.
 
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