The you don't want to get involved in this discussion thread (split)

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unioncityvol said:
Personally my existence seems a little to special to me to be an accident. I guess it's human nature to believe we are here for some bigger purpose. I want to believe that, but I also am a realist and everything points to us being here by dumb luck. Just a little proof would be nice. The whole blind faith thing is a tough one.
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The fact that you are here as you are today in itself is amazing as well. Being created or it "just happening" are both equally amazing.
 
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Gruden said:
So is drug addicts and alcoholics born that way as well? Nope.

No point in announcing your sexuality other than for attention. Shouldn't act like it's a big deal and it won't be!
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Actually there has been an extensive amount of research conducted on the link between addiction and genetics. That's why these things tend to happen a lot in the same families.
 
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Lizzard28 said:
I'm not saying you are wrong but it's just the way it is. Marriage was based on two people, a man and a woman, it comes straight from the bible. And if we want to throw that out the window, then why shouldn't we allow 3-5 people get married and take advantage of those same rights. What makes you stop at two? Where did the two come from?
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Well laws evolve as society evolves (civil rights, women's movement, etc)

The polygamy thing is an interesting angle. I wonder how the government treats polygamous Mormons.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
You just called it a choice. So no.
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You responded to my post by talking about how people weren't supposed to be born with Down syndrome, then said it was just a wrong mix of genetics. But you then when I asked you if that was what you were saying, you said no.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I done explained my screw up on the sickness part. I don't care who is gay or who isn't. I just don't believe a person is born that way and that is my opinion and that is all Im saying.
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I gotcha. I'm having a hard time just keeping up in this thread it's moving so fast. Believe what you want sir. My point was never to say you can't believe that. Just that I disagree.
 
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RockVol said:
You responded to my post by talking about how people weren't supposed to be born with Down syndrome, then said it was just a wrong mix of genetics. But you then when I asked you if that was what you were saying, you said no.
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No you said they are choosing to be gay and I said no. Different genetic combinations over a hundred thousand years lead to many different outcomes in humans. Some humans are born liking the same sex. It is not a mistake or a sickness. Or a disease.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
No you said they are choosing to be gay and I said no. Different genetic combinations over a hundred thousand years lead to many different outcomes in humans. Some humans are born liking the same sex. It is not a mistake or a sickness. Or a disease.
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There has been a ton of research trying to find a "gay" gene in the human genome and guess what? No gay gene.
 
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In fifty years when people have become advanced enough (aka baby boomer fallout) to understand what human rights actually means, there are going to be movies about this movement that will highlight the sheep of the church (big difference from Jesus) performing hate crimes, CONSTANT emotional abuse, and disregard for the liberties of a non- threatening demographic that we still see today. And what are the more- advanced and logical people of the future generations going to do? They are going to gasp with shock, ask how long ago this was, then laugh at how an advanced developed society could be so ****ing ignorant.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
No you said they are choosing to be gay and I said no. Different genetic combinations over a hundred thousand years lead to many different outcomes in humans. Some humans are born liking the same sex. It is not a mistake or a sickness. Or a disease.
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I agree that it is not a sickness or a mistake, they choose to be. Why would God make a person gay. He doesn't like sin, so he wouldn't make someone be gay from birth. God gave us free will and gays use that free will to decide to be gay.
 
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RockVol said:
I agree that it is not a sickness or a mistake, they choose to be. Why would God make a person gay. He doesn't like sin, so he wouldn't make someone be gay from birth. God gave us free will and gays use that free will to decide to be gay.
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Ok why does he make children be born with Down syndrome? Did the unborn fetus sin?
 
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I'm done arguing. Believe what you want to believe, just don't bash my beliefs.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
Ok why does he make children be born with Down syndrome? Did the unborn fetus sin?
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Down syndrome is not a sin. God works in mysterious ways. I'm done this is my last post on this topic for the night. Good bye. Believe what you want to. It's your right to.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
If they were that good at genetics yet don't you think they would stop the Down syndrome genes? Genetics is a very new area of science.
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Down's syndrome is a chromosomal disorder. It involves a mutation of the chromosomes during meiosis. It has nothing to do with genetics.
 
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Another "closet-breaker". Consider the following....

Although it will probably change in the next few years, public bathrooms are separated by gender for modesty (remember that word?) and privacy's sake. This has and is done b/c of the natural attraction between male and female. Considering some (less than 2% of total population) of men are attracted to men, then shouldn't they have their own bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. for modesty and privacy's sake? If you're heterosexual, would you want a man glaring at your manhood? What about your pre-teen or teenage son - who leaves your dinner table at a restaurant b/c nature calls. Would you want a non-heterosexual glaring at him at the stand-up urinal? I'm not saying that all homosexuals behave in this fashion, but I'm not naive, gullible and stupid enough to believe none of them do either (just like a few heterosexual men glaring at hooters at Hooters). So open-minded, accepting of all, nothing-is-outside-the-boundaries thinkers - what do we do now?

Although he is certainly free to declare his sexuality and practice his passions with any of like-mindedness (thanks to many US military personnel and their sacrifices - just try this in Russia, Iran, Irag, Turkey, etc. etc...), I cannot accept it as "natural". Why?

Genitalia sharing between humans, insects, animals, etc. is for pro-creation. Assuming evolution is correct and survival of the fittest is the law of the jungle and further, since homosexuals can't pro-create, do we presume that they are genetic misfits (since they are "born that way" and not made)? If true, proudly admitting that you're homosexual is a bit oxymoronic (proudly admitting you're a genetic misfit). However, if "made", then professions like this are testaments to child-rearing, environment, etc. and if made, then it can be "un-made" as well. Further, if this is to be lumped into the same category as other maladies caused by poor child rearing and/or environment, do we consider it similarly as alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, poor lifestyles/habits, poverty, etc.?

Either way, I can't accept it as "normal", despite Hollywood's, TV's, media, etc. efforts to convince me otherwise. Do I respect these people and wish them well? Yes, not because they're homosexual, but because they're human. It is possible to disapprove but not disrespect. Fire away - those of you awash in political correctness.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Your grasp of genetic research is just great.
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Came straight from my biology textbook. So if you want to argue against years of research by more qualified biologists than me and you go right ahead. Bottom line, being gay is not something you inherit genetically.
 
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KnoxVillain said:
Don't go on the internet if you are worried about getting your feelings hurt.
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Nothing hurts my feelings, just enjoy debating with people and it's getting late, I have other stuff to do than carry on a debate over something as small as this.
 
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