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Aerie Vol said:
If you participated, what's your world like? Now, pretend Bill Nye the Science Guy stumbles into your world. He's a good scientist, right? What's he going to say about it. You know, empirically speaking.

Are there men in Neyland playing football? Bill could do an MRI on them and determine they were 20 year old athletes. Are they 20 years old? Yes. And they've been that old for about 5 minutes now - since you created them.

Did you have trees or other plants in your world? If Bill cut one down, what would he see? Would there be rings? Can a tree survive without it's center rings? Ok, that's a bit complicated and questionable. I guess you wanted your tree to die after just a few days, right? No? No. You're a good creator and knew the tree would need dirt with nutrients. How do nutrients get into the soil? Dead stuff. Queue Bill! "Oh look, dead stuff in the soil. These dead leaves have been decomposing here for the past 6 months." But have they? Yes - and they've been doing so for about 7 minutes now - since you created them.

I could go on, but you get the point. Let me proudly profess that I believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. And it's been that way for about 6,000 years now. Since God created it.

Want to argue with me? If you were a truly smart creator, would you create a brand new world? No, because nothing lives in brand new dirt. Adam was 30 (I guess) and he needed to eat, so he needed old trees, bearing fruit. They needed old dirt with already dead stuff in it. If humanity were ever to use oil, there'd have to be some stuff already down there which had been cooking up for millions of years. And He spoke, and behold, it was good.

I don't know if I agree with Ken Ham that dinosaurs walked the earth with humans. But then again, I'm not sure that bones in the ground is proof they ever walked the earth. Are you sure they did?
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I get what you're trying to say, and you certainly did a better job than Ham. But what would the point be of making a billion yr old earth but picking some arbitrary year to start with humans as if that is the beginning but then tricking them into thinking it's actually older? And placing fossilized remains of plants and animals in an attempt to make them seem way older than the earth was supposed to be? On top of that, why would he then place human remains and the ruins of civilizations that date beyond the time of which he "created" people? I dunno that just does not seem like a reasonable explanation to me. But your example was better then the majority on this board so far.
 
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KnoxVillain said:
Why? It is almost the exact same situation. You're the ignorant one if you can't see the similarity.
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When was the last time a homosexual was persecuted because he was gay. When was the last time a gay man couldn't eat in the same restaurant as a straight man. When did a straight man "own" and rule over a gay man. Two totally different things.
 
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volssam said:
Made up stat. But even if it was even close to accurate it would be largely skewed by the Islamic extremists.

Also a study came out in the last year or two about the most generous/giving states. Vast majority of them were in the Bible Belt.

If Christianity is applied and lived out as intended, it would be loving, humble, and peaceful. But that doesn't mean it is or should be accepting of sin. A true Christian should take a stand against sin - whatever form it takes. But also not be hateful or haughty in doing so. Pride often gets in the way of this being done
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did you even read the post? serious question

i am just not sure what stat i made up since i did not quote a stat

and i was talking about religious fervor in general - not your precious Christianity and wondering what might happen if there was a drop in it
 
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LOTS of misunderstandings in this thread. If you start an argument with anti- gay people, you've already lost. All they want is to get a rise out of you, then "prove" how right they are with quotes from a book written and revised from hundreds of people not named Jesus. Believe what you want guys, but don't infringe or insult the way people were born, and act like they do it for attention. Of all the gay men I've met, they all say that they don't even think about vaginas or breasts or heterosexual relationships. Now compare that to the heterosexual impose on gay rights and privacy.
 
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You don't have to hate homosexuals or think they are going to hell in order to be disgusted by the thought of two men having sex. It's not wrong to feel that way either. Hey, I was born that way.
 
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dhb92 said:
I get what you're trying to say, and you certainly did a better job than Ham. But what would the point be of making a billion yr old earth but picking some arbitrary year to start with humans as if that is the beginning but then tricking them into thinking it's actually older? And placing fossilized remains of plants and animals in an attempt to make them seem way older than the earth was supposed to be? On top of that, why would he then place human remains and the ruins of civilizations that date beyond the time of which he "created" people? I dunno that just does not seem like a reasonable explanation to me. But your example was better then the majority on this board so far.
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Best part of this thread was finally finding my roommate's username.
 
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I should never have opened this thread. I ten to get drawn into these discussions. And often it is tough to walk away from. But at some point you know that what you say is not likely to change the other side's minds and vice versa.

I would like to add a couple things (only my second of hopefully very few posts on this thread):

I believe in the Bible as the inspired Word of God. It tells me that homosexuality is a sin. Therefore I as a follower of God believe the same.

Is someone born that way? I am honestly not completely sold either way. I do know that God doesn't allow us to be tempted
Above what we are able to deal with (1 Cor 10:13)

I have someone I go to Church with that is attracted to other men. He doesn't want to be. He is fighting the temptation because he wants to live by God's standard. Was he born that way? Or did the fact that he had a difficult home life and relationship with his father influence him? I don't know.

There are obviously some guys who are more feminine. Is that nature or nurture? I don't know. Some are supposedly predisposed to alcoholism or have an "addictive personality". Does that make becoming an alcoholic or gambling your family's sustenance away ok? I don't believe so. At some point you are responsible for
Your choices

But as someone said earlier in the thread, however those temptations came to be, choosing to act on them is the sin. Just like if I as a heterosexual man who is/was very tempted, chose to have sex with the woman who would become my wife before we were married that would have been a sin according to the Bible. No worse than homosexuality in God's eyes. But a sin nonetheless. And one I would need to repent of and fight against giving in again until I was married (I was a virgin when I got married; was not easy).

As someone said earlier, we all sin. The object is to not make it a lifestyle, a continual rejection of God's Will.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Wrong! James Madison was Episcopalian and Thomas Jefferson Christian Deism.
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Technically you're right but anybody that knows history will tell you that they were only religious in appearance only. Read Thomas Jefferson's letters to Madison. It's really good stuff.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. - Thomas Jefferson
 
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Now something that will make me unpopular on here. Homosexuality gets discussed a lot because its in the cultural spotlight. And the other side use the point that Christianity is so dead set against homosexuality as a negative. It is a tough situation because it is one of the few remaining areas of morality that can still be stood against. However we must be careful to not become hypocritical/pick-and-choosy in our stances

A sin is a sin- whether it is socially accepted or not. And many times on this same board a lot of
guys - some who are married - get "all worked up over pictures/videos/gifs of other women". And the Bible teaches that lasciviousness/lust for other women besides your wife is wrong (Matt 19)

On this same board alcohol/drunkenness is joked about and talked about at length. The Bible says drunkenness is wrong (1 Peter 4, Galatians 5, Ephesians 5)

On this same board, profanity is used or "bleeped" out regularly. The Bible says we should be pure in speech (Ephesians 4, Matthew 12)

I am not wanting to come across as a judgmental Phariseeical do-gooder. Trust me, I have my own temptations/struggles I have to fight against. Often daily. But I don't think they should be accepted, tolerated, or be on public display. My belief says that sin is something that should be shameful and repented of. Whether that sin is homosexuality, fornication, adultery, drunkenness. Lying, etc.

Ultimately I am not the one that gets to pass eternal judgment on anyone. I can just talk of my beliefs and live them out to my ability, and hope it has a positive impact on some/many, especially my children whose souls I fear for due to the moral decline of our society. I will pray for us all to seek truth and when discovered that we have the courage and humility to adjust our lives accordingly. God bless
 
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tim said:
I think you missed my point. No ones sexuality is worth debating. A homosexual could no more convince me to become homosexual than I could convince him/her to become hetero.
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FWIW I agree 100% with your premise, and have argued the same on the board recently. I don't think anybody should be defined by where they stick their junk.

The problem is not the "outing". It is what the media does with it afterwards. They are the ones who sensationalize and label.
 
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matts42012 said:
When was the last time a homosexual was persecuted because he was gay. When was the last time a gay man couldn't eat in the same restaurant as a straight man. When did a straight man "own" and rule over a gay man. Two totally different things.
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Well they put homosexuals to death in some arab countries.

Oh, and they aren't allowed to get married in most states which is, by definition, persecution by religious groups.
 
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423Volfan said:
Technically you're right but anybody that knows history will tell you that they were only religious in appearance only. Read Thomas Jefferson's letters to Madison. It's really good stuff.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. - Thomas Jefferson
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Thank you - did my work for me

I believe TJ even made a version of the New Testament where he removed every reference Jesus made to himself as God and miracles or supernatural type of things - hardly something you would expect from a religious evangelical Christian
 
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SCvol333 said:
did you even read the post? serious question

i am just not sure what stat i made up since i did not quote a stat

and i was talking about religious fervor in general - not your precious Christianity and wondering what might happen if there was a drop in it
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I did my friend.

I was referencing your statement about 40-50%. Obviously it was made up. You even stated so. I am sorry of it came across as me saying you pulled it from somewhere. I was just presenting the contrast that true Christianity is not violent but loving and caring

Also the bolded part was unnecessary IMO. I am honestly not trying to be combative. With Digital communication it is sometimes difficult to express tone. I am sorry if I offended you. Was not my intention. Have a good day, my Vol brother.
 
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volssam said:
I did my friend.

I was referencing your statement about 40-50%. Obviously it was made up. You even stated so. I am sorry of it came across as me saying you pulled it from somewhere. I was just presenting the contrast that true Christianity is not violent but loving and caring

Also the bolded part was unnecessary IMO. I am honestly not trying to be combative. With Digital communication it is sometimes difficult to express tone. I am sorry if I offended you. Was not my intention. Have a good day, my Vol brother.
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I get it - I overreacted - I apologize - shouldnt have said that in a condescending way

I like seeing what you have to say so didnt mean to shut you down on that front
 
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SCvol333 said:
Thank you - did my work for me

I believe TJ even made a version of the New Testament where he removed every reference Jesus made to himself as God and miracles or supernatural type of things - hardly something you would expect from a religious evangelical Christian
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No problem at all. Most people really don't know that though. I was taught in school that all of our founding fathers were deeply religious (Christian). A little research though goes a long way. They were way more into their freemasonry that anything else.
 
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SCvol333 said:
I get it - I overreacted - I apologize - shouldnt have said that in a condescending way

I like seeing what you have to say so didnt mean to shut you down on that front
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No worries. Religion and politics get people on edge..... Sooooo how do you vote? :)
 
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