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#731
#731
dhb92 said:
I get what you're trying to say, and you certainly did a better job than Ham. But what would the point be of making a billion yr old earth but picking some arbitrary year to start with humans as if that is the beginning but then tricking them into thinking it's actually older? And placing fossilized remains of plants and animals in an attempt to make them seem way older than the earth was supposed to be? On top of that, why would he then place human remains and the ruins of civilizations that date beyond the time of which he "created" people? I dunno that just does not seem like a reasonable explanation to me. But your example was better then the majority on this board so far.
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Thank you for the kind words and I'm sorry I was away so long - had to run the kid to soccer practice and all. Why God chose to do it this way is known only to Him, but He has revealed some of it to us in the Bible. 1st Corinthians 1:18-31 shows us the plan was to confound the wise of the world so we would not trust in ourselves, but in Him alone. A short paraphrase would be "it pleased God to save mankind through the foolishness of a cross."

If you want to find Him, just believe. Faith alone will get you there. Not wisdom or science. We can see glimpses of His glory all around us, but we will never scientifically prove any of it, and we were never supposed to do so. What Nye fails to see is that he is in a closed system and he can never scientifically see anything other than what is within it. His perspective is totally skewed. He says, "the earth is 4.5 billion years old, so the Bible is wrong." He should instead say, "how cool is that - we just discovered that God created a 4.5 billion year old world! I wonder if there's any significance to that?"

I'm not against science. Just it's all too common usage in an attempt to prove/disprove God.
 
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hibbs said:
as someone with numerous openly gay male friends I can PROMISE you they don't go around looking at every male on the face of this planet in a sexual manner. Your misconceptions are incredible.
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Your experience may be correct but I know several who do look at other men the way a guy looks at women walking down the street.
 
#735
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utvolpj said:
the persecuted Christian is one of the weakest arguments being peddled today. Only second behind the poor, persecuted white male



that's great but morals can be separate from religion. You attempt to tie the 2 together which is ridiculous
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Definitely just your opinion.
 
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fade route said:
Yes, logical and educated individuals, most of whom in addition to founding the country were Christians who publicly professed their belief and loyalty to Christ and Biblical teachings.

You may think the Bible is some old outdated book that has no relevance to modern society, but consider this: your line of thinking is on the rise in America. Unfortunately, so is the rate of children growing up in fatherless homes, child abuse, drug use, alcohol abuse, addiction to pornography, suicide rates, depression,violence among teens, etc, the list goes on. Coincidence?
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Read up on Thomas Jefferson. He wasn't quite as enthralled by Christianity as you might believe.








PS - He grew and smoked marijuana and had a black mistress. America's original pimp. :)
 
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fade route said:
Yes, logical and educated individuals, most of whom in addition to founding the country were Christians who publicly professed their belief and loyalty to Christ and Biblical teachings.

You may think the Bible is some old outdated book that has no relevance to modern society, but consider this: your line of thinking is on the rise in America. Unfortunately, so is the rate of children growing up in fatherless homes, child abuse, drug use, alcohol abuse, addiction to pornography, suicide rates, depression,violence among teens, etc, the list goes on. Coincidence?
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Go tell that to the Native Americans. Wait, there aren't any, because they were all killed by god-fearing Christian absolutists. Contrary to popular belief, history is not an apocalyptic narrative; it's a series of up and downs. As a matter of fact, the violent crime rate is at a three or four decade low, just as one example.
 
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volprof said:
Go tell that to the Native Americans. Wait, there aren't any, because they were all killed by god-fearing Christian absolutists. Contrary to popular belief, history is not an apocalyptic narrative; it's a series of up and downs. As a matter of fact, the violent crime rate is at a three or four decade low, just as one example.
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This is simplistic BS. Conquest has had casualties throughout history. It took enormous bravery to pick up and try to settle this land but we don't look at it through that prism anymore.
 
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thebjd said:
This is simplistic BS. Conquest has had casualties throughout history. It took enormous bravery to pick up and try to settle this land but we don't look at it through that prism anymore.
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Simplistic is what we would call the bolded part of your post. Of course, people have been conquered throughout history. What kind of rationale is that?

Like I said before, share your pioneer courage to the Native Americans. I'm sure they'd love to hear all about it. Only been hearing about it the last 400 years.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
I wish they would clone Ron Paul, the fact that guy isn't president makes me sad. Rand, I guess?
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One of the fishies that fertilized Rand's egg,flattened it's head on a teapot...loyal voting Republican here but extremism is unelectable ...revisionist historians forget that our patron saint,Ronald Reagan,had a close friendship with liberal commie Tip O'Neil and knew you had to work with such denizens...after more than a decade of former Democrat,now NTTA bagman/crook Rick Perry...here in Texas, I'm contemplating holding my vote like a delusional baseball HOF ballotholder.
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fade route said:
Your attempt to tie moral decline with educational decline is what's ridiculous.


And the persecuted Christian is a reality that you need to wake up to. Ask any valedictorian at a lot of public high schools if they are allowed to pray from the podium at their school's graduation ceremony. Or the attempt to rid Christmas from public life and call it winter holiday, etc. There are numerous examples.
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That's not persecution. That's just a government run institution not giving deference to one religion over another.

If the valedictorian happened to be Muslim and wanted to give a muslin prayer, he wouldn't be allowed to either.

Persecution would be if they got suspended for doing a silent prayer for themselves or reading a bible during free time.
 
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volprof said:
Is being heterosexual your choice? Or, to use StoVol's example, is liking biscuits over mayo your choice? It may seem like it is, but the fact of the matter is that you have no clue why you like biscuits over mayo (or vice versa). You just do, and you have no way of accounting for it, just like you have no why of accounting for why you're heterosexual and why someone else is homosexual. If it's all simply a choice, we'd be able to account for these differences. But we can't.
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So is someone born a pedophile or is it a sexual choice? We can both play these silly games.

Let me ask you a question....if you stick a homosexual male and a heterosexual female on a deserted island for 10 years what do you think would happen? Think any kids would be produced? Think they would love each other?

We can keep playing the game if you would like.
 
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Weezer said:
Read up on Thomas Jefferson. He wasn't quite as enthralled by Christianity as you might believe.








PS - He grew and smoked marijuana and had a black mistress. America's original pimp. :)
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Marijuana story is a myth. Debunked by Monticello.
 
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#750
I think it took tremendous bravery to do what he did but at the same time he probably cost himself a lot of money.

The scrutiny, media, political, and possibly legal baggage attached to this is something that most teams just will not want to take a chance on. Any draft pick is a chance anyways especially when it brings a potentially volatile situation into your team.
 
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