There's not a penalty to harsh for PSU!

#51
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knucklehead_vol said:
I am sure all of us wish this never happened. Stop acting like people are glad this happened to get one over on Paterno and Penn State.
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I sincerely apologize if that's how I'm coming off. I don't think this is a malicious attempt to end PSU football purely because they are "good at the game".

I understand no one in their right mind would wish this on any one or any institution.

My point is, the punishment phase in regards to their football program should be done.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Victimized how?

By not being able to see Penn St play football on T.V.?
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Every Saturday without football would be a constant reminder of all of this to everyone. It would have the attention of the PSU family all season long and the national attention as ESPN would undoubtedly capatilize on the opportunity to carry the story further.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Every Saturday without football would be a constant reminder of all of this to everyone. It would have the attention of the PSU family all season long and the national attention as ESPN would undoubtedly capatilize on the opportunity to carry the story further.
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I dont buy this

Watching them play, like nothing happened, is a slap in the face to anyone that has been a victim of child molestation

Plus, everytime the play for the next 20 years, its going to be brought up. This will never go away
 
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CountVolcula said:
Sorry Volly, I get what you are saying

The backlash from rabid fans could be rather harsh
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I think the people involved should be punished to the absolute fullest extent of the law. Anybody and everybody that had anything to do with letting this go on. And that includes the janitor that saw it and didn't go to the police, and the AD and the president of the university.

I don't think it would be just rabid fans being harsh. I think casual fans, students, parents of current students, etc, would keep it alive and at some point, the blame for this will try to be placed on the victims. (I can't figure out how to word exactly what I'm trying to say.)
 
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bringing the program down would add victims unnecessarily. Jobs would be lost. Careers would end. More lawsuits would ensue. And those people will have had nothing to do with this crap.

Get every single person involved and **** up their lives as much as possible. Level the locker room. Level the statue. Take every dime possible from the endowment and get it to the victims. Then use football money each year to support various groups for victims.

I understand the view that some have on here about bringing it down, but a lot of innocent people would be added to the victim list.
 
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vollygirl said:
What does it do for the victims and families if you take the football program down?
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What does it do for the victims if you put a guy in prison? One of the main reasons for stiff punishment is to send a message.
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vollygirl said:
I think the people involved should be punished to the absolute fullest extent of the law. Anybody and everybody that had anything to do with letting this go on. And that includes the janitor that saw it and didn't go to the police, and the AD and the president of the university.

I don't think it would be just rabid fans being harsh. I think casual fans, students, parents of current students, etc, would keep it alive and at some point, the blame for this will try to be placed on the victims. (I can't figure out how to word exactly what I'm trying to say.)
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The issue is this. We're not talking about random employees of PSU. We're talking THE TOP 4 of PSU. The leaders aka THE PSU itself. A VERY stiff punishment should be dealt to them.
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TXA&M07 said:
Every Saturday without football would be a constant reminder of all of this to everyone. It would have the attention of the PSU family all season long and the national attention as ESPN would undoubtedly capatilize on the opportunity to carry the story further.
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Aggie, you really need some self reflection. I'm very hard core but you are just short of Matt Millon.
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VolBeef88 said:
Aggie, you really need some self reflection. I'm very hard core but you are just short of Matt Millon.
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Look, I'm no less passionate than many of you on this matter. You're talking to a guy that is a firm believer in the death penalty and is an advocate of public hangings even.

What we have here however, is a case of the judicial system doing what it is supposed to do, yet due to the harshness of the crimes, many of us are allowing our emotions to seek revenge on top of justice. That's not what we are subject to by law. In fact, our country's judicial system was designed and amended to prevent such action. I'm just as disgusted as you all are, but I don't condone the NCAA implied or expressed authority to further punish the football program any further than what is defined within their jurisdiction. Furthermore, the punishment distributed by our legal system, although seemingly laxed at times, should not be upstaged by a governing body designed to police college athletics. There are boundries and a system of limitations in regards to jurisdiction. If there were not, this type of vigilante justice would take place. Thank God we've evolved.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
The issue is this. We're not talking about random employees of PSU. We're talking THE TOP 4 of PSU. The leaders aka THE PSU itself. A VERY stiff punishment should be dealt to them.
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I don't disagree with this statement. Put them all under the prison as far as I'm concerned. But the punishment belongs on the persons involved, not the institution.

The whole deal makes me sick. But there are people who had no involvement what so ever and you can't claim them as collateral damage.

The university is gonna pay the price regardless of what punishment is handed out. They won't be thought of the same for at least a generation.
 
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vollygirl said:
I don't disagree with this statement. Put them all under the prison as far as I'm concerned. But the punishment belongs on the persons involved, not the institution.

The whole deal makes me sick. But there are people who had no involvement what so ever and you can't claim them as collateral damage.

The university is gonna pay the price regardless of what punishment is handed out. They won't be thought of the same for at least a generation.
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You nailed it once more.
 
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vollygirl said:
I don't disagree with this statement. Put them all under the prison as far as I'm concerned. But the punishment belongs on the persons involved, not the institution.

The whole deal makes me sick. But there are people who had no involvement what so ever and you can't claim them as collateral damage.

The university is gonna pay the price regardless of what punishment is handed out. They won't be thought of the same for at least a generation.
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Ok, then according to you a President and VP of a University along with the AD and Head Football coach can not only turn a blind eye to little boys being raped mere feet from the coaches office but they can also cover it up for 14 years and allow many more little boys to be raped and all the school gets as far as punishment goes is firing them. But you let those same 4 men give a poor kid a few bucks and the school is in serious trouble? I will never subscribe to yours and the Aggies way of thinking on this. I feel bad for your moral compass.
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No need to tell people their moral compass is off if you are having trouble understanding the stance. One may say that anothers moral compass is off for wanting to add 100's of innocent victims to the list by implementing a death penalty. Try to think, rather than just see red. Everyone wants the guilty punished to the fullest.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Look, I'm no less passionate than many of you on this matter. You're talking to a guy that is a firm believer in the death penalty and is an advocate of public hangings even.

What we have here however, is a case of the judicial system doing what it is supposed to do, yet due to the harshness of the crimes, many of us are allowing our emotions to seek revenge on top of justice. That's not what we are subject to by law. In fact, our country's judicial system was designed and amended to prevent such action. I'm just as disgusted as you all are, but I don't condone the NCAA implied or expressed authority to further punish the football program any further than what is defined within their jurisdiction. Furthermore, the punishment distributed by our legal system, although seemingly laxed at times, should not be upstaged by a governing body designed to police college athletics. There are boundries and a system of limitations in regards to jurisdiction. If there were not, this type of vigilante justice would take place. Thank God we've evolved.
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great post.


...it's also kinda when you get things like the McArthy hearings and well what happened with the Rosenbergs
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No need to tell people their moral compass is off if you are having trouble understanding the stance. One may say that anothers moral compass is off for wanting to add 100's of innocent victims to the list by implementing a death penalty. Try to think, rather than just see red. Everyone wants the guilty punished to the fullest.
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Certain things are always wrong.
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I'll excuse myself from this for the night. We've had good constuctive conversation and I understand the emotional aspects of this. I'd hate for it to get derailed in another direction.

Good night y'all. No hard feelings intended and none received on my end either.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll excuse myself from this for the night. We've had good constuctive conversation and I understand the emotional aspects of this. I'd hate for it to get derailed in another direction.

Good night y'all. No hard feelings intended and none received on my end either.
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I'm with you here. Imo blasting the football program into oblivion at this point only punishes people who weren't involved in the cover up and would have zero effect on the actual criminals themselves.
 
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Sucks to be a PSU fan -- they should crush that Paterno statue like they did Saddam Hussains statue -- guy is a poor excuse of a human being and should have been canned 20 years ago
 
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Does anyone else get the sense its convenient for the Freeh report (commissioned by PSU for over $500,000.00/month) to put most of the blame on those who are in jail or are dead? I'm not saying anyone else was involved but boy isn't it lucky that the report the trustees paid so much money for didn't seriously imply any current trustees.

Penn State trustees: We take responsibility but won’t resign - Philly.com

Makes me sick, bunch of f****** cowards
 
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milohimself said:
I'm with you here. Imo blasting the football program into oblivion at this point only punishes people who weren't involved in the cover up and would have zero effect on the actual criminals themselves.
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Then why ever punish the institution for anything? Just fire the coach/AD and all is forgiven because after all if those who commit the crime are gone (using your logic) the institution is absolved? SMU got the death penalty for paying players. PSU knowingly allowed little boys to be raped for at least 14 years. Maybe you disagree with me but I believe what PSU did was a helluva lot worse that what SMU did.
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VolBeef88 said:
Then why ever punish the institution for anything? Just fire the coach/AD and all is forgiven because after all if those who commit the crime are gone (using your logic) the institution is absolved? SMU got the death penalty for paying players. PSU knowingly allowed little boys to be raped for at least 14 years. Maybe you disagree with me but I believe what PSU did was a helluva lot worse that what SMU did.
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Of course its worse.

But you want to bring down thousands more of innocent people and change their lives due to the actions of a few. I'm fine with whatever the board gets too.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Of course its worse.

But you want to bring down thousands more of innocent people and change their lives due to the actions of a few. I'm fine with whatever the board gets too.
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So in your opinion the University itself should never be held accountable?
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Penn State's scandal is worse than Southern Methodist's scandal in a criminal sense. Southern Methodist's scandal is worse than Penn State's scandal in an NCAA Football sense. How is this so difficult to understand?
 
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