This describes what has happened to college football perfectly.

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fossilfiction said:
You "preserve the college game by not paying players" people lost the war. It will never go back to be players having to own access to their NIL being removed and no they cannot "cap it."

Grown ass men on here still crying about athletes making money. Unless you have a Delorean powered by Ukraine uranium traveling at 77MPH you are SOL. Put your big boy pants on and move on.
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77 won't get you anything but a speeding ticket. You need 88...
 
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LouderVol said:
by the universities and the coaches that kept the money.

It is absolutely better if its a more fair system. doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is objectively more fair now than it was.

what other amateur program of any kind fully restricts the members from their Name, Image, and Likeness? What other amateur program of any kind denies participants from seeking ANY outside income?
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What other amateur program restricts members from their name etc....how about every other sport on any given college or university ? Swimming, baseball, softball, track and field, they are all just like college football
 
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volfeeva said:
What other amateur program restricts members from their name etc....how about every other sport on any given college or university ? Swimming, baseball, softball, track and field, they are all just like college football
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I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. NIL is being used by other sports. Here's a quick example.

www.wvlt.tv

New NIL deal to benefit entire UT Baseball program

Name, Image and Likeness deals usually benefit an individual athlete, but with a new partnership, an entire program could see the benefits. UT Baseball is working with a Las Vegas-based group to help them get paid.
www.wvlt.tv www.wvlt.tv
 
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volfan102455 said:
These schools need to put out packages showing the true value of what each athlete receives. The idea that they get nothing is what drives me crazy. They get the following which has a high dollar value.

- Free education and tutoring that helps them be successful.
- Free advertising of their skills on one of the largest stages there is.
- Training on how to address the media and how to act as a public figure.
- Free strength and conditioning training
- Networking opportunities that will last a lifetime and allow them to step into doors others cannot.

They get all the exposure without the risk that comes with being "fired" if they don't live up to expectations. They can make small mistakes and survive. Coaches, sports casters, etc. aren't so lucky in that regards.

It is only a matter of time until one of these players with a lot of NIL money, makes a mistake - a mistake that reflects on the company they are associated with. It has happened to professionals - here today, gone tomorrow.

This started out as players just wanting some spending money like other students that work while in school get. It has now led to grown folks keeping track of what a player is worth based on the NIL they get as well as the players themselves wanting to be the one with the most.

At some point their college days will be over and many of them will end up with nothing to show for all this.
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Great post. I do not claim to have the answers. I never have. However, you are 100 percent correct IMO. I wish I had the answer the mess we are about to enter... I just hope in 10 years I can still enjoy pulling for my beloved Vols on Saturdays and it not being the NFLjr league.
 
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GAVol said:
People just don’t seem to be able to take a step back and realize how absurd some of these statements are about restricting people’s ability to make money. Amazing how socialist our attitudes get as long as we’re being entertained.
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Amateurism is an aristocratic institution, not a socialist one. It's the Marxist who can't help but see exploitation in it.

Unfortunately, the massive sums of money flowing into the pockets of non-players have made the maintenance of amateurism in major college football untenable.
 
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fossilfiction said:
It's unconstitutional to deny people the right to make money off their NIL, period. Just because they are in college doesn't mean they shouldn't off their NIL.

You can make money off your NIL, except for your lack of skills to do so. That's the only difference between you and them.
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I predict nil money will dry up when some bust occur, such as, lets say nico is a bust along with others on different teams that fail to perform to expectations. First will the coach be able to pull them from the lineup? Would they continue to play because of pressure from nil contributors? We have seen many 4 and 5 star athletes fail. What can a coach be able to do if a player is not performing but yet has a huge nil deal? Which many are receicing before they play a down of football.
 
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volfeeva said:
Some of us remember when players came to the school and stayed for the team, the loyalty, and being part of something bigger than themselves. If you think the current trend of seeing players quit on teams even while the season is going on, if you think it's fun to watch programs beg/pay, to get a player who just quit on his old team, if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless because every good player bails either to the portal or to the pros--well it sucks IMHO. This current "ME-ME" generation stinks to the high heavens. Yes, they are ruining the last one thing worth watching in sports.
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Nailed it. I'm wondering if
They'll ever consider putting a cap on the $$
 
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cgrish said:
I predict nil money will dry up when some bust occur, such as, lets say nico is a bust along with others on different teams that fail to perform to expectations. First will the coach be able to pull them from the lineup? Would they continue to play because of pressure from nil contributors? We have seen many 4 and 5 star athletes fail. What can a coach be able to do if a player is not performing but yet has a huge nil deal? Which many are receicing before they play a down of football.
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Go learn what NIL is and then you won't have so many questions. What you are stating is not how NIL works.
 
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cgrish said:
I predict nil money will dry up when some bust occur, such as, lets say nico is a bust along with others on different teams that fail to perform to expectations. First will the coach be able to pull them from the lineup? Would they continue to play because of pressure from nil contributors? We have seen many 4 and 5 star athletes fail. What can a coach be able to do if a player is not performing but yet has a huge nil deal? Which many are receicing before they play a down of football.
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At some point do they even have to make a token appearance in any class. You’re now getting paid to play football, student be damned
 
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volfanhill said:
Sure you could that. But if that cost them X a year then their NIL would go up by X. There's a reason people talk about total compensation package in the real world. Not just salary. It's all part of the equation when you take a job
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College football is NOT a job. It is a kids game. College players are not professional athletes
 
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volfeeva said:
Just because colleges and universities made a profit off of college players playing football is not an argument that things were broke and needed to change. College players got a free education ( or at least was offered one), and many got other perks along the way. They also got exposure that if they were good enough led to them going into the pros. Nobody was harmed by that process and yet many benefitted from it. This is all about greed and love of money. Yes, we know change is inevitable but that doesn't make it better or that we should just accept it. That's like the government telling us we have to buy an EV and get rid of all ICE vehicles because change is inevitable. This does not make college football better for fans, only for the agents and players
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Lol cuz we the fans put in hundreds of hours of hard work to play and put our bodies on the line week in and week out on top of going to class full time… it doesn’t matter if it’s better for the fans… they are entertaining us but don’t get their fair share ? A full scholly and other perks are crumbs compared to the billions being made… it’s here now and like I said If it’s so bad boycott it nobody is forced to watch college football lol… you mentioned swimming and baseball you can go watch those sports and help those athletes out.
 
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Butch s said:
College football is NOT a job. It is a kids game. College players are not professional athletes
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That's the precise argument that the NCAA made that got rejected by the Supreme Court 9-0.

I totally get people lamenting some of the byproduct of NIL, but if we're really honest with ourselves, we all know that this wink, wink thing that the schools have done for years limiting players to school expenses while raking in millions in rights fees has never passed the smell test.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
They kinda are, and I’m good with it.

Pretty much everyone around them has benefited financially from their labor.

Now it’s their turn…good for them.
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I don't like it but I don't have to like it to like it. Athletes shouldn't be bared from profiting off their NIL, I just think for the sake of the game (CFB) some controls will need to be put in place. Controls like allowing collectives to sign multi-year contracts with the players. No, caps or anything along those lines but something that ends the yearly free agency we're starting to see.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't like it but I don't have to like it to like it. Athletes shouldn't be bared from profiting off their NIL, I just think for the sake of the game (CFB) some controls will need to be put in place. Controls like allowing collectives to sign multi-year contracts with the players. No, caps or anything along those lines but something that ends the yearly free agency we're starting to see.
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Yeah i get it…I’m not happy Etienne is transferring, but CFB isn’t about me.

The NCAA can’t cap NIL earnings, but they can tighten up rules around the portal.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't like it but I don't have to like it to like it. Athletes shouldn't be bared from profiting off their NIL, I just think for the sake of the game (CFB) some controls will need to be put in place. Controls like allowing collectives to sign multi-year contracts with the players. No, caps or anything along those lines but something that ends the yearly free agency we're starting to see.
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To me, it's more of a problem with the transfer rules than anything else. I'm all for the players being able to make money, but these guys transferring multiple times without progressing toward a degree needs to stop.

Hopefully, some of this will clear up as the guys with the extra Covid year finish going through the system in the next year or so.
 
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GAVol said:
To me, it's more of a problem with the transfer rules than anything else.
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I don't want them to change the transfer rules, I think the NCAA has finally got them right. All I'm proposing is to allow (not mandate) the collectives to offer multi-year deals and if the athlete agrees then they can't transfer and sign another NIL deal while still under contract. They can still transfer under the NCAA rules but couldn't shop their NIL for a better deal if under contract.
 
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GAVol said:
That's the precise argument that the NCAA made that got rejected by the Supreme Court 9-0.

I totally get people lamenting some of the byproduct of NIL, but if we're really honest with ourselves, we all know that this wink, wink thing that the schools have done for years limiting players to school expenses while raking in millions in rights fees has never passed the smell test.
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Let’s get this straight. I for one don’t give a damn what the Supreme Court says. They’re just another arm of the government
 
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hog88 said:
I don't like it but I don't have to like it to like it. Athletes shouldn't be bared from profiting off their NIL, I just think for the sake of the game (CFB) some controls will need to be put in place. Controls like allowing collectives to sign multi-year contracts with the players. No, caps or anything along those lines but something that ends the yearly free agency we're starting to see.
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With multi-year contracts, what's to keep the kid from just cruising after getting paid? I assume you'd not expect kids to agree to "you have to stay with us 4 years, but we can cut you at any time" deals. That's not going to recruit well. I get it. You want the balance of power back to the schools: we'll tell you when you can transfer and we'll tell you when you got recruited over and need to leave.

Those days are gone. Schools are not treating the kids like property anymore.
 
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Butch s said:
Let’s get this straight. I for one don’t give a damn what the Supreme Court says. They’re just another arm of the government
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My man, it's the Supreme Court of the United States that would get you out of jail in America for making that last statement.

They ultimately interpret your rights to say dumbass things like you hate the govt without getting tossed in jail like many do in other places.
 
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