This is what happens when you stick with bad Qbs—Guarantano part 2

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Yeah, I can't throw this game at Joe's feet - he had some good moments and actually ran pretty well to extend drives. But I can put his body of work to date at his feet, and that isn't good. He's not someone you're going to rely on to win you a game, and neither is the offense as a whole this year. They can't run the ball consistently, at least not against the teams you need to do it against. JG has already proven what happens when you're slow to read the field, hold on to it too long and refuse to run during an RPO (until recently for Joe). That puts a lot of burden on an OL that isn't all that. If you add in any issues with the receivers - well, then, you struggle to break 20/ppg. Defense has certainly stepped up from last year but are still too inconsistent for a half or quarter. Those lapses cost a lot when you've got a good opponent on the other side of the line.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
Just saw this posted today. Watching this again really demonstrates that we had many problems on offense yesterday but Joe was not one of our biggest yesterday

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I just watched this. Not once did he look to a second receiver. He locked onto the first receiver and eventually threw it whether open or not. Every time. I really had no idea how consistently this happens.
 
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Milton reminds me of Casey Clausen. He plays fine as long as everything goes to plan. He’s just not that quick at processing things when the play blows up. He’s a solid college QB as far as running the play goes.

For instance, when he ran to the sideline vs A&M and had the option to take a hit and fight for a yard or throw it over the two defenders who had cut him off, he instead tried to force a hard line drive between them. I didn’t see it in real time, but during the replay, it was like “of course! Just lob it over their heads. Lots of room behind the defense to complete a big pass”. There are a few QB’s who see these things in college, but Milton hasn’t been one of them so far.

The other thing Milton hasn’t been great at is finding the hole when the defense gets outside the tackles. There was briefly a huge hole between the right tackle and right guard during the Bama game, but Joe stumbled into the guy who the right tackle was blocking. Little things like that would make Joe a great college QB.

Almost nobody in college has the kind of accuracy that Hooker had in his final year. Peyton even struggled with some touch passes before the NFL.
 
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ZZ13 said:
I just watched this. Not once did he look to a second receiver. He locked onto the first receiver and eventually threw it whether open or not. Every time. I really had no idea how consistently this happens.
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That is also very typical of our offense.

Go back and watch Hendon. It's usually one or two reads.
 
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adam.vol said:
Milton reminds me of Casey Clausen. He plays fine as long as everything goes to plan. He’s just not that quick at processing things when the play blows up. He’s a solid college QB as far as running the play goes.

For instance, when he ran to the sideline vs A&M and had the option to take a hit and fight for a yard or throw it over the two defenders who had cut him off, he instead tried to force a hard line drive between them. I didn’t see it in real time, but during the replay, it was like “of course! Just lob it over their heads. Lots of room behind the defense to complete a big pass”. There are a few QB’s who see these things in college, but Milton hasn’t been one of them so far.

The other thing Milton hasn’t been great at is finding the hole when the defense gets outside the tackles. There was briefly a huge hole between the right tackle and right guard during the Bama game, but Joe stumbled into the guy who the right tackle was blocking. Little things like that would make Joe a great college QB.

Almost nobody in college has the kind of accuracy that Hooker had in his final year. Peyton even struggled with some touch passes before the NFL.
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I don't think you remember Clausen. He was nothing like Milton. Most ignorant comparison I've seen in awhile.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
You don't script a whole half of football. Maybe the first drive or two if the first drive is quick scoring. By now the whole playbook should be installed in week 8. However what we are not seeing much is variations. We will get back to that but we need better OL and yeah I agree Milton will never be able to run the offense like Hooker. He is serviceable but he needs help from teammates and coaches. Joe looked more than capable in the 1st half. The 2nd the whole team looked lost as well as the staff. I expect Nico to play alot against UConn and Vandy other than Injust Milton is the guy for this year.
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Let me lay out for you just what series I was talking about. The ones at the start of and the end of a the first half and sometimes the start of the second half. Not the whole dam- game. After a turnover, we seem to have a script of run up the middle first. With our limitation at QB, I think the staff thinks this is best for him. Requires not quick thinking.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I don't think you remember Clausen. He was nothing like Milton. Most ignorant comparison I've seen in awhile.
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I was in school and went to all the home games. I remember a mediocre QB surrounded by NFL talent that took us from championship contender to 4 and 5 loss teams. I remember the guy who lost to Georgia for the first time in a decade.

In fact, I remember when we were excited with Eric Ainge and Cutcliff coming back because we went 9-3. I don’t think you were paying attention.
 
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savannahfan said:
Let me lay out for you just what series I was talking about. The ones at the start of and the end of a the first half and sometimes the start of the second half. Not the whole dam- game. After a turnover, we seem to have a script of run up the middle first. With our limitation at QB, I think the staff thinks this is best for him. Requires not quick thinking.
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Never heard of script play calling to close a half. My thoughts would be you take your best Pass or RUN and put it in the damn end zone. Most teams adjust to what is being called in the flow of the game. When people say halftime adjustments they usually don't mean an entire scheme. Small things like rolling a safety into a certain look or chipping a block etc. Or you will see stack formations to get a mismatch which this can be done based on alignment at anytime. Bama really didn't do anything different, we went away from what we were doing such as running comeback routes. Sure Milton missed some passes however the wr's got very little seperation in the 2nd half.
 
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adam.vol said:
I was in school and went to all the home games. I remember a mediocre QB surrounded by NFL talent that took us from championship contender to 4 and 5 loss teams. I remember the guy who lost to Georgia for the first time in a decade.

In fact, I remember when we were excited with Eric Ainge and Cutcliff coming back because we went 9-3. I don’t think you were paying attention.
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Clausen was 34-10 as a starter over four years and 33-7 during the regular season. The three bowl games losses the rest of the team checked out and didn’t give their all for Tennessee that day. Divide that by four years and I can’t wait to see the fuzzy math that equates that to 4-5 losses each year.
 
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adam.vol said:
I was in school and went to all the home games. I remember a mediocre QB surrounded by NFL talent that took us from championship contender to 4 and 5 loss teams. I remember the guy who lost to Georgia for the first time in a decade.

In fact, I remember when we were excited with Eric Ainge and Cutcliff coming back because we went 9-3. I don’t think you were paying attention.
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Clausen was a hell of a lot better than Ainge. You don't know what you're talking about
 
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I can see it now...We start Nico over Joe and he overthrows 2 recievers and gets an int and the entire vol nation turns on him just like they have our past QB's and kinda like they are now with Joe...Leave him alone...Damn our fans can be cancerous twits sometimes.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You will jump for joy that your daddy Nick will have landed a good QB.
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Actually we are of no relation....but it seems my post might have triggered you a bit, would you like for me to get a safe space opened up so you can color in peace? Let's be clear, if Nicky offered you $10 million, you would be out the door looking for your Bama cousin to live with in Tuscaloosa....
 
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I think Joe is mediocre at best, but I can't pin this loss on him. By now, everyone knows what you get with him. CJH does need some growing up on his in game decision making, but that's not entirely what "lost UT the game."

This game was not fair from the beginning. Everyone knew who was "going to win."
 
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ZZ13 said:
Clausen was 34-10 as a starter over four years and 33-7 during the regular season. The three bowl games losses the rest of the team checked out and didn’t give their all for Tennessee that day. Divide that by four years and I can’t wait to see the fuzzy math that equates that to 4-5 losses each year.
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This and more. In his career at UT, Clausen won AT:
Tuscaloosa, AL. Twice
Gainesville, FL. Twice
South Bend, IN

Worth Mentioning: Torched Michigan as a sophomore in the Citrus Bowl
 
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VOLnMiami said:
I can see it now...We start Nico over Joe and he overthrows 2 recievers and gets an int and the entire vol nation turns on him just like they have our past QB's and kinda like they are now with Joe...Leave him alone...Damn our fans can be cancerous twits sometimes.
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But is it better to see that this year or next year when Nicco will be our only option ? If you wait until next year do we go thru a lesser year next year because Nicco is learning or getting his first real experience. I don't think Joe is doing anything special this year that you hope Nicco could not come in and do for a quarter or two this year in all of the remaining games. Not looking for greatness necessarily. Just looking for something on film to work with him on.
 
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Majors said:
Oline, WR and RB get a free pass? Didn’t see RB break tackles and didn’t see a WR get space, saw both tackles get abused in the 4th.
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Squirrel was getting space and Castles.
They need to work in some Iformation Iso's so when it's 4 and 1 they can sneak it and it not be a dead give away.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Squirrel was getting space and Castles.
They need to work in some Iformation Iso's so when it's 4 and 1 they can sneak it and it not be a dead give away.
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Not taking away from Squirrels spectacular catch, he was matched up with a LB. He should get space every time.

Missing Fant in short yardage
 
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Majors said:
Not taking away from Squirrels spectacular catch, he was matched up with a LB. He should get space every time.

Missing Fant in short yardage
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He also sees when Milton is running right and comes back and makes a catch knowing he could get clobbered he is 5'10 180 at best. They should have matched him up on a LB more.
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
I like Heupel but this is just stupid. We knew Milton would cost us games like this. He knew it. We knew it. Everyone knew it. The inability to score even a point in the 2nd half is on QB1.

Real annoyed.
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Is it not possible to just say that we lost? Do we have to crucify an individual every damn time we lose a game?
It gets old and tired.
We lost, PERIOD.
The coaching sucked in the 2nd half, the players sucked in the 2nd half, the officiating sucked in the 2nd half and the outcome sucked! Total team suckage!
Yes we failed to score, but we also gave up what, 27 straight!! We should bench the middle linebacker for that debacle...
 
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