This is what happens when you stick with bad Qbs—Guarantano part 2

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CAVPUT said:
I've heard several folks say that Milton was just great in practice and that's why he got the nod over Hooker. It's just different when bullets start flying vs being in a green jersey and you know you're not gonna get hit. All a coach can do is make his best assessment based on what these guys look like in practice. Some said the same about Dobbs. Seems he wasn't a great practice guy but when the lights came on he was a baller. I can't blame him for choosing Milton over Hooker. Hey, he's not the first coach to fall in love with Milton the practice QB. Happens.
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JG was also a top notch practice QB - nobody knows til they get thrown to the lions
 
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508mikey said:
JG was also a top notch practice QB - nobody knows til they get thrown to the lions
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Exactly. It's why it's hard to "know" what we have with Nico until he gets his baptism vs legit SEC foes. He could go in and tear UConn a new one, but that doesn't mean he'll do the same vs an SEC foe. Of all our coaches, I'd have to think Heupel...a Heisman contender at QB...knows a QB when he sees one and when said QB is ready to take control.
 
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EZE said:
It’s hard to tell. His accuracy isn’t great, but that isn’t his biggest problem.

His biggest problem is that he cannot read defenses and deliver the ball on time…ie, hitting his receivers right out of their break. He instead holds the ball until he can see obvious separation. It kills timing and puts incredible pressure on the O Line.
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You are absolutely right, he holds the ball way too long, he should be ready to throw the ball as the receivers are making their break, but he waits until the defenders are closing in before he throws. It just drives me crazy sitting there watching that crap and Heupel does absolutely nothing about it.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
The play calling is based on the coaches trust in Joe. Joe has the physical gift but struggles with quarterback IQ.
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Joe was throwing good in the first half. They trusted him then. You guys just want to blame Joe for everything. That’s weak sauce. What does trust in Joe have to do with going in shotgun on 4th and inches with a 6’5 240lb QB? Sorry but Heupels play calling in the second half was straight up garbage.

It’s this simple. In the second half, Saban made adjustments and Heupel didn’t. He got out coached and we had poor execution and that’s on coaching. There is blame to go around. Did Joe play great? Far from it. Strip sack wasn’t his fault. Defense cost is more than Joe ever thought of.
 
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turdherder11 said:
Joe's not gonna win you games. He's gonna play about even no matter the competition. He is what he is.

I'll ask everyone this, do we see Hendon if Joe stays healthy in 21? What happens in the 22 season? I don't think so, Heupel is dead set on starting Joe. Heupel has already proved he'll start the wrong QB.
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You are rethink to make a false equivalency. The situation with Hooker/Milton is not even close to the situation with Milton/Nico.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The difference is that we averaged 46 points/game in 2022.

This season we are averaging 32, and we've scored 20 or less against 3/4 of our conference opponents so far.
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So playing Milton this year has cost us points and now wins. I agree with you the offense is way down. Defense here is not going to throw you a shut out but I thought they were ok yesterday.
 
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Just saw this posted today. Watching this again really demonstrates that we had many problems on offense yesterday but Joe was not one of our biggest yesterday

 
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ENGRVOL said:
Just saw this posted today. Watching this again really demonstrates that we had many problems on offense yesterday but Joe was not one of our biggest yesterday

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Did you watch the second half too ? You know there's two halves in a football game. I bet if somebody went back and looked at JG games you would see 250yds passing, maybe two throwing TD's and in the end TN would lose 14-27 or whatever. Having stats isn't always the true measure of a quarterbacks effectiveness. Final scores and second half shut outs on offense will tell you though.
 
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Volhoops said:
So playing Milton this year has cost us points and now wins. I agree with you the offense is way down. Defense here is not going to throw you a shut out but I thought they were ok yesterday.
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Choice of QB.

Choice of OC.

Lack of WR depth.

Game day play-calling.

It's all coming together this year and the result is a very ineffective version of Heupel's offense.

Losing Golesh is turning out to have a bigger impact than we expected.

I doubt we'll see anything similar to the success of 2022 under Heupel, until he finds another QB capable of executing his offense consistently, and an OC that can call plays to the strength of that QB.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Joe was throwing good in the first half. They trusted him then. You guys just want to blame Joe for everything. That’s weak sauce. What does trust in Joe have to do with going in shotgun on 4th and inches with a 6’5 240lb QB? Sorry but Heupels play calling in the second half was straight up garbage.

It’s this simple. In the second half, Saban made adjustments and Heupel didn’t. He got out coached and we had poor execution and that’s on coaching. There is blame to go around. Did Joe play great? Far from it. Strip sack wasn’t his fault. Defense cost is more than Joe ever thought of.
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We’ll see how much longer you support Joe.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Choice of QB.

Choice of OC.

Lack of WR depth.

Game day play-calling.

It's all coming together this year and the result is a very ineffective version of Heupel's offense.

Losing Golesh is turning out to have a bigger impact than we expected.

I doubt we'll see anything similar to the success of 2022 under Heupel, until he finds another QB capable of executing his offense consistently, and an OC that can call plays to the strength of that QB.
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The play calling has been weak this year but some of that isa
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Milton didnt cost us the game. Heupels decision making and play calling did.
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Milton has done best when he has worked with a fairly aggressive tempo and play calling. He seems to struggle when the coaches slow things down and get ultra conservative. I am very confused with the coaches start with an aggressive game plan and then back off and play to not lose. Joe isn’t perfect but the coaches aren’t helping him out with such poor play calling. I’m tired of hearing that the play calls are vanilla because our QB can’t handle anything else. That’s a bunch of bull - he has handled a more aggressive plan. Don’t know why we are calling such stupid plays. I don’t think any QB would have success with some of the calls I have seen.
 
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Milton did not cost us the game. He was just n rhythm and doing well. The refs stopped that momentum and didn’t let us do anything but let bama do everything. The refs cost us this one and many others in the past. It’s quite obvious
 
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savannahfan said:
I gave you a like for what you say..... BUT his play calling is influenced by the ability (or lack thereof) of his QB....
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I seem to remember his QB doing just fine with aggressive play calling in the first half? Why wouldn’t they trust the same play calling in the 2nd half? The coaches decided to go away from what was working. They played way to conservative. That’s on them not Joe.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
Just saw this posted today. Watching this again really demonstrates that we had many problems on offense yesterday but Joe was not one of our biggest yesterday

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I watched this earlier today.

This is what I got out of it... overall, I didn't see Milton as the reason for losing this time. He's been simply bad to me up until this game for the record. That first half while not perfect was good enough to silence the crowd and make the entire CFB world take notice of our revival of the passing game at the exact right time for us. Unfortunately, we got absolutely shut down in every facet of the game after that. I don't know the exact play calls nor have the correct POV to judge his decision making, but the routes targeted by Milton were no different than what was done in the first half. There were obviously quite a few missed calls that really hurt us too. There were two vertical routes that Joe targeted specifically that were absolutely DPI. You can't wrap your arm around the receiver's hips the last time I checked.. yet there was no call.

The worst from Milton were two missed throws that would very likely have been TDs and not FGs in the 1st half. However, he also made a great throw under pressure to the TE to close the half too. 14 of his 41 attempts happened with 8 minutes left in the game, and I only have 3 of those being a misfire (bad accuracy) by him. The only 1 of those 3 that had a significant consequence was the 4th and 10 throw on a corner to Squirrel that was incredibly off. Overall though, he played well enough to win this game. I said it in the other thread too... based on what limited information I can gather, this was his best game in a TN uniform.

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lifeisdeep said:
Maybe educate yourself. Research Erik Ainge and Casey Clausen.
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If it's always the case that a true freshman, 5* is ready to take over, why didn't Arch Manning replace the injured Quinn Ewers for TX?

Maalik Murphy, a 4* redshirt freshman, did replace Ewers.

How is that possible that s great 5* true freshman with one of the highest ratings ever for a QB and a rich, tremendously talented family of QBs behind him........ isn't ready?
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
I like Heupel but this is just stupid. We knew Milton would cost us games like this. He knew it. We knew it. Everyone knew it. The inability to score even a point in the 2nd half is on QB1.

Real annoyed.
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Did Milton call a fair catch at the 4 yard line? Did Milton get called for holding at the start of the following drive making it 1st and 20? Did Milton commit multiple penalties in the red zone, turning short yardage situations into long yardage situations?

This game was not on Milton. Not anywhere close. And if you think he's anywhere close to JG, you aren't very bright. Check the stats guy. Milton is exponentially better than JG.
 
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EZE said:
If you can’t see Milton’s limitations, then you aren’t paying attention. Guy just cannot see the field in real time.
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Milton doesn't have an issue seeing open WRs. He makes the correct read probably 90+ percent of the time. His issue up to this point has been accuracy, particularly on passes traveling 20+ yards in the air.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If it's always the case that a true freshman, 5* is ready to take over, why didn't Arch Manning replace the injured Quinn Ewers for TX?

Maalik Murphy, a 4* redshirt freshman, did replace Ewers.

How is that possible that s great 5* true freshman with one of the highest ratings ever for a QB and a rich, tremendously talented family of QBs behind him........ isn't ready?
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He doesn't know.
 
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