This loss will be 100% on the staff

[1truevol]

After we blow the first runback (off a punt) on ST, we should have started punting the ball out of bounds, and any KO's through the endzone. This score is 80% ST fiasco.

So many fans like this sit on the panic button. They simply don't realize how limited we are with overall team speed. Special teams were simply aweful, but defensively...we're the slowest team in the SEC. People HAVE to realize how this factors when playing explosive offenses. Some fans expect instant success no matter what.

 

[tennezz]

the sunshine sheep will find a way to say these r dools players.. to slow.. dobbs had to study for flying the space shuttle..let me see oh just wait till he gets his players. oh yeah baby:dance2:

we have avg coaches at best on off n def seems to be well terrible at game planning.

Sounds like we have a bunch of below average fans on here.

 

[VolFromNashville]

This game was the culmination of years of sub-standard recruiting and no continuity in schemes or coaching. I wonder what our schemes will look like once Coach Jones gets the players he wants to run them?

 

[TGVol]

I wonder what our schemes will look like once Coach Jones gets the players he wants to run them?

Find some Cincy and Central Michigan films and you may wonder no more :cray:
Those maybe not be easy to find but Cincy game vs Dooley a few years ago should still be fresh in everyone's minds? Or maybe not since most fans did not scream that hiring Jancek was a bad idea even after watching what Dooley did to him (or fans that have better memory may remember what Kiffin did to Jancek when he was at UGA).

 

[butchna]

Not sure why they played the seniors so long. They obviously had no clue. Why wait to put in some of the underclassmen? Why not get guys like Jason Carr some time? Already burned the redshirt.

Rough game. So tired of SUCKING......

But...you do it so well
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[VolFromNashville]

Find some Cincy and Central Michigan films and you may wonder no more :cray:
Those maybe not be easy to find but Cincy game vs Dooley a few years ago should still be fresh in everyone's minds? Or maybe not since most fans did not scream that hiring Jancek was a bad idea even after watching what Dooley did to him (or fans that have better memory may remember what Kiffin did to Jancek when he was at UGA).

Perhaps. But, look at the players who go to Cincy and CM. Elite players don't normally go to those schools. They do, however, go to places like UT. Coach Jones has much, much more to sell recruits on than he did with Cincy and CM. He had the "keys" to a Honda before. Now he's got the keys to a Lamborghini so to speak. For what he could get at those places talent-wise and the relative talent in those conferences, he won. Now let's see if that trend will continue in the coming years.

 

[TGVol]

Perhaps. But, look at the players who go to Cincy and CM. Elite players don't normally go to those schools.

But elite players do go to UGA. Jancek was there, had them and still got fired (remember what Kiffin did to that defense)?

 

[volsohard99]

I think y'all are kind of crazy. I mean halfway at least.

Am I the only one that thinks that Janecek is the right guy? I mean he went toe to toe with Spurrier...played chess with him basically...and won. The DC is actually the only person I think is doing their job correctly....... problem is these coaches are coaching what's left over... and 3 years of bad tackling technique will not get fixed. I know I am not the most knowledgeable person ever to write on a message board but y'all can't say the DC is messing up here because the players are not executing his plays correctly. There are missed assignments all over the damn place and people getting beat constantly. Not only that but the DLine makes it ****ing impossible for the linebackers and the secondary to work the way they are supposed to because they HARDLY EVER get any pressure on the QB and when they do, they are not athletic enough to be effective at chasing any QB who has legs..

I hate to say it because these players do put themselves out there and it's not necessarily the fact that they aren't talented-- but to be honest a lot of it is outmatched talent...

Talk to me about offensive coordinator and that's a different story....mainly I'm concerned Cheney is out there on the field calling the most predictable game ever. I won't go there because honestly I'll probably be proven wrong as Dobbs and the receiver corps grow up. what bugs me even more that it is absolutely clear they aren't calling plays that use what talents we do have. running on the edge is absolutely not an option. our guys are not fast enough for that and when have you EVER seen that work this year yet they call that **** over and over. also all the short passes in the flat... that at best gets 5 yards but often gets about 1-2 if it is complete at all. EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY I don't feel like our offensive game plan adjusts at all for new opponents. And finally, I just don't believe that this staff ever intended to put the best QB for the system on the field and they were forced to after Worley got injured and i think it is CRYSTAL CLEAR they were holding out.

ANYWAY... today we are all talking about how bad the defense is because we had an offensive genius come in and exploit weaknesses in almost a different way than the others have done. but to say Janecek needs to be fired is absolutely laughable. He took over the worst team statistically in UT history and y'all expect us to be great against one of the greatest offensive minds in the game right now. On offense however our performances against Florida, WKU, and basically every single game have been absolutely unacceptable. And that I do believe is due to the staff because we clearly have talent on offense in both the offensive line receiving corps and even for the first half of the season we had talent on the bench at QB just waiting to get out.

 

[volsohard99]

Wrong.
Dooley was a great offensive coach (which he proved by building one of the best offenses in the country in 3 years) but he knew nothing about defense which ultimately cost him his job.
Muschamp is the EXACT opposite of that.

EXACTLY THANK YOU.

I'd add to that and say Dooley did not leave CBJ with nothing on offense. In fact, CBJ should be doing a lot better with the talent hes got now. I realize he didn't have a ton of experienced talent because most of that went to the NFL.... nevertheless to act like we don't have a talented players on Offense is ridiculous. He wasn't left loaded by any means but not depleted either.

When Florida's D was healthy--like when they played us they shut us down completely on O.

We have struggled on offense against almost every single team with the exception of the first game and that really has me worried because that's where there should at least be some talent.

At least our defense being so bad is kind of excused for this year... offensive should not be this ineffective...

 

[VolFromNashville]

But elite players do go to UGA. Jancek was there, had them and still got fired (remember what Kiffin did to that defense)?

That's an assistant coach with a completely different set of circumstances and you're using that to judge this staff?

 

[VolFromNashville]

Not to mention that 2009 team was loaded with talent compared to this team.

 

[volsohard99]

We may or may not have enough talent in terms of players, but we certainly do NOT have coaching talent to compete in the SEC. CBJ needs to get rid of our DC asap (and for CBJ's own good he should no longer associate himself with special teams either).

what are you even saying?

You said Auburn only won 3 games last year because they had talent but not the coaching. Ok I'll agree with you there............

BUT

the differences between what Malzhan inherited and what Butch inherited:

Malzhan--only one year removed from a team that he likely had a lot of say in recruiting and working with. also inherited a ton of talent that was being under utilized under Chizik.

Butch--the under utilized talent TN had went to the NFL. its not just sitting around for him to spin into gold. and more importantly, these are players who have never played under Butch's system or anything remotely similar. We didn't do so hot last year either but are you saying we didn't have more talent last year????

Don't remember Auburn sending their entire receiving corps and QB to the NFL. also don't see how you could even compare the the two teams in terms of smooth transition from coach to coach. Auburn has had more stability and Malzhan is running a similar offense using recruits he has recruited and coached personally for much longer than CBJ has had time.

You wanna talk about the shortcomings of this staff then maybe make some comparisons that actually are meaningful?

For example, Auburn's staff made incredible in-game adjustments our staff could not keep up with.

 

[TGVol]

That's an assistant coach with a completely different set of circumstances and you're using that to judge this staff?

We have seen Jancek first hand under 3 very different sets of circumstances:

1. With talent at UGA (vs Kiffin)
2. With supposedly no talent at Cincy (vs Dooley)
3. With our current team (debatable how much issue is lack of player talent vs his coaching talent).

He has sucked in every one of those circumstances - so YES - I think that's more than enough to judge him.

 

[TGVol]

Butch--the under utilized talent TN had went to the NFL. its not just sitting around for him to spin into gold. and more importantly, these are players who have never played under Butch's system or anything remotely similar. We didn't do so hot last year either but are you saying we didn't have more talent last year????

O-line and running backs did not go into NFL. Butch could have kept Chaney and Pittman (and offense did very well last year under them). By the way we actually did do better last year - we only got blown out vs Bama and Vandy last year and every other game was competitive and down to the wire because our offense was almost good enough to make up for the Sunseri disaster). If CBJ was more pragmatic he should have realized that keeping Chaney and Pittman is critical for his early success here (at least for a year or two until he gets established).

 

[VolFromNashville]

We have seen Jancek first hand under 3 very different sets of circumstances:

1. With talent at UGA (vs Kiffin)
2. With supposedly no talent at Cincy (vs Dooley)
3. With our current team (debatable how much issue is lack of player talent vs his coaching talent).

He has sucked in every one of those circumstances - so YES - I think that's more than enough to judge him.

They won ten games the year they played UT. Hardly sucking.

 

[volsohard99]

O-line and running backs did not go into NFL. Butch could have kept Chaney and Pittman (and offense did very well last year under them). By the way we actually did do better last year - we only got blown out vs Bama and Vandy last year and every other game was competitive and down to the wire because our offense was almost good enough to make up for the Sunseri disaster). If CBJ was more pragmatic he should have realized that keeping Chaney and Pittman is critical for his early success here (at least for a year or two until he gets established).

How is that contradicting what I said? Last year we underperformed as a team mostly due to defense. You were calling for the staff's head but you're acting as if Dooley could do better when in fact he did worse with more talent.

I think offense is under-performing THIS YEAR (where I disagree with you is that they were somehow magically coaching last year so well offense looked amazing... that's absolute bull**** because offense had a crazy amount of natural play makers last year and dooley clearly knew what he was doing when he was recruiting for offense) but I also think anyone who didnt understand it would be an adjustment under a completely new offense and completely new schemes is just not logical.

you took my quote out of context when I was just talking about your comparisons between Butch and Malzhan.

You wanna talk Butch/Dooley this board will probably melt down......

 

[TGVol]

You were calling for the staff's head but you're acting as if Dooley could do better when in fact he did worse with more talent.

We were not getting blown out last year and were competitive in most games because we had a much better offense (and not only in terms of player talent but quality of offensive staff - that is where you and I disagree - CBJ should have kept Chaney and Pittman and our offense this year with the exact same talent we have right now would be better. And the fact that defense is doing only slightly better (arguable) than last years defense (which was the worst defense ever fielded in the history of football) means that our current DC needs to be replaced. Being arguably slightly better than Sal is not good enough to keep the job.

 

[volsohard99]

We were not getting blown out last year and were competitive in most games because we had a much better offense (and not only in terms of player talent but quality of offensive staff - that is where you and I disagree - CBJ should have kept Chaney and Pittman and our offense this year with the exact same talent we have right now would be better. And the fact that defense is doing only slightly better (arguable) than last years defense (which was the worst defense ever fielded in the history of football) means that our current DC needs to be replaced. Being arguably slightly better than Sal is not good enough to keep the job.

yeah but again you're making the butch/dooley comparison when i was talking butch/malzahn.

but since you insist we keep with the butch/dooley comparisons...

when i say worse i dont mean worse on offense necessarily. I'm full aware that we were more productive in the pass offense. I'm also full aware that every single play maker from the pass offense went to the NFL. I think you can make the argument that Dooley wouldn't have left nothing at all behind those guys and I think Butch is under-performing with where we should be passing wise. However, we were negative in running yards many games and this year we've got two fairly productive backs. Those aren't new recruits.... Dooley/Chaney had them last year too with the same OLine and didn't do ANYTHING with them. which is why people laughed at how one-sided our offense was. it was still effective even if you sent your grandmother out there to blindly call a play because you had some amazingly talented people.

Those guys are gone. yes we still have the OLine yes we still have some great talented play makers but they are inexperienced and learning a new offense. The only benefit Dooley would have this year over Butch would be not having to implement a new offense unless he could have gotten Bray Hunter and CP to stay which is doubtful. But what I'm saying is:

I agree with you that Butch has not been doing well with this offense.

I don't agree that Dooley would be doing any better just because he was doing well with superstars.

As for defense it's hard to argue with you there but again, the last thing this defense needs is another new coach. any improvement at all will suffice for now. At this point it is honestly all speculation if you're making comparisons....

 

[OrangeInKy]

if anyone of you gloom and doomers have lower level tix for Vandy, send them my way.

 

[JCP201]

if anyone of you gloom and doomers have lower level tix for Vandy, send them my way.

THIS: I sat around a few of them during the Auburn game. They do nothing to help our team, (Sit on their hands) whine, then leave early.

I can't tolerate it.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Whip dey ass.

 

[YukonDave]

Tennessee has not been a very good football program for quite a few years. CBJ and his staff are working very hard. To all you nagavols find you another team to pull for. Those of you that are great coaches turn in your application to some universities and start your coaching career. I am a VFL 0-11 or 11-0.

 

[tennrich1]

THIS LOSS IS 99% ON LACK OF TEAM SPEED...now go and enjoy your day and dont worry about it....ANYONE could see that the lack of speed is KILLING us...I MEAN KILLING US...sure there were other contributing factors...the fact that Dobbs HAS NOT LEARNED the fine art of progression reading....multiply times missed seeing the WIDE OPEN receivers....BUT...in time he will...so for today....THINK LACK OF TEAM SPEED!!!!

 

[tennrich1]

and just a footnote...the staff cant correct lack of speed...you have only hope to mininize its effects on the team...

 

[Tokeup69]

I agree this game is blamed on coaching....DOOLEY'S COACHING!! freshman are out playing seniors!