Thoughts About The End Of the Trump Reign

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Sea Ray said:
DACA is not a White House issue. It should be dealt with legislatively. Obama knew that he did not have the constitutional authority to legalize DACA kids and the courts did indeed shoot him down:

DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted

All Trump did was enforce existing immigration laws passed by Congress. It's up to Congress to pass immigration reform and deal with this. In the meantime, don't blame any White House for enforcing current laws. It's what they're constitutionally obligated to do. It's not racist to do what the Constitution forces you to do
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Trump doesn't care about the process, obviously. That's not why he did it, although that may be an excuse.

And you have a funny interpretation of what happened

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/11/trump-daca-ruling-lawlessness/
 
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utvolpj said:
He and his wife worked. I know how my family is doing financially and see this as completely probable without the "china money"
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It's doable but he's lived pretty high on the hog while doing it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I was using simple math as an example, we can tweak the numbers and still illustrate the point. If he banked just $10k in 1970 and never invested again, that's over $10m.
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Edit: I messed up the "simple" math, LOL. I counted too many cycles, it would be about $1.2m now.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
Yes, you believing that bs. Yeah made good money from china.
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His money is from book deals and public speaking.

Not sure if you are aware, but former Presidents and VPs get paid 6 figures for a night's work on the speaking circuit.

Edit: Sea Ray above beat me to it
 
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n_huffhines said:
The travel ban was total BS. There was no good reason for it, except misguided fears. It didn't even include Saudi Arabia. It was supposed to be for 90 days so he could improve safety precautions in the process, which he never did, nor did he ever explain what was wrong with the process (that had been working just fine). We ended up fighting about it in court and wasting money and time and energy. Complete ineptitude in every way by our government, playing with people's lives.

DACA kids have over 70% support and overwhelming support on both sides but Trump went after them because why? Maybe not racist but what is the explanation, other than being anti-immigrant?

Both cases are clear examples of bad government targeting people that are different from us. I can't prove that it's based on bigotry, but there is a very good chance it's at play.
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But still that doesn't answer the question of him saying anything racist. I'm independent, and I'm all for banning travel from any country that you can find terrorist training videos, or them celebrating death of Americans. I have nothing against Hispanic immigrants, but I do with giving them all a free pass for votes like the left wants. That was the hold up on a 2nd stimulus, it was Pelosi and her crew, not trump. They wanted every ice detainee released, regardless of charges. Rape, murder, didn't matter, let them go. Heck, I'd bet money that I have more illegal Hispanic friends than any leftie on this board. However, none of that has any bearing on the question I asked him. Can he post one video of trump being racist, like I could of Biden?
 
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DJimgo said:
His money is from book deals and public speaking.

Not sure if you are aware, but former Presidents and VPs get paid 6 figures for a night's work on the speaking circuit.
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I want a gig like that without having to be a P or VP.

But without the 'influence to sell', I would not be worth much.
 
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Obviously, my takeaway from this admin is mostly negative, but I’ll give him credit for a few things:

Aside from the Middle East peace accords, Trump called attention to the need for immigration reform legislation, made the dysfunction in DC inescapably apparent. Appointed three justices to the Supreme Court, of which Gorsuch has been a pleasant addition, Kavanaugh has been better than expected in some areas, although the Jury is still out on he and Barrett. Some of the changes that were made to Title IX were positive. In his first year he announced a framework for restoring separation of powers that would have been positive had he and Congress adhered to it.
 
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McDad said:
I want a gig like that without having to be a P or VP.

But without the 'influence to sell', I would not be worth much.
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Yeah, it seems like a helluva waste of money but that's the deal. I'll be curious if Donnie hits the banquet circuit on 1/21. While I admittedly don't care for him, I do hope to have his
tireless energy when I get that old.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The travel ban was total BS. There was no good reason for it, except misguided fears. It didn't even include Saudi Arabia. It was supposed to be for 90 days so he could improve safety precautions in the process, which he never did, nor did he ever explain what was wrong with the process (that had been working just fine). We ended up fighting about it in court and wasting money and time and energy. Complete ineptitude in every way by our government, playing with people's lives.

DACA kids have over 70% support and overwhelming support on both sides but Trump went after them because why? Maybe not racist but what is the explanation, other than being anti-immigrant?

Both cases are clear examples of bad government targeting people that are different from us. I can't prove that it's based on bigotry, but there is a very good chance it's at play.
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The travel ban: He was playing to peoples fears to make it appear as though he was protecting them.
DACA: It was and is unconstitutional. Also, again he was playing to peoples fears.
If President Obama really wanted to do immigration reform, why didn't he do it when his party controlled both the house and senate? Both parties are using these folks as political pawns and it is disgusting.
 
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joevol33 said:
But still that doesn't answer the question of him saying anything racist. I'm independent, and I'm all for banning travel from any country that you can find terrorist training videos, or them celebrating death of Americans. I have nothing against Hispanic immigrants, but I do with giving them all a free pass for votes like the left wants. That was the hold up on a 2nd stimulus, it was Pelosi and her crew, not trump. They wanted every ice detainee released, regardless of charges. Rape, murder, didn't matter, let them go. Heck, I'd bet money that I have more illegal Hispanic friends than any leftie on this board. However, none of that has any bearing on the question I asked him. Can he post one video of trump being racist, like I could of Biden?
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Well, he did call Mexican/Central American immigrants rapists but i'm more concerned by policies than words
 
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Sandman 423 said:
The travel ban: He was playing to peoples fears to make it appear as though he was protecting them.
DACA: It was and is unconstitutional. Also, again he was playing to peoples fears.
If President Obama really wanted to do immigration reform, why didn't he do it when his party controlled both the house and senate? Both parties are using these folks as political pawns and it is disgusting.
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Obama failed but regardless, you don't have to reverse actions that the large majority of the country supports. The WH has the discretion to not enforce laws as they see fit. Trump did it because he wanted to. Not cause he had to
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, he did call Mexican/Central American immigrants rapists but i'm more concerned by policies than words
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And Biden said you needed an Indian accent to go in a 7-11. If trump said that, you guys would have been screeching. If he had said anything about a racial jungle, poor kids being as smart as white kids, or told black people they weren't black, there would've been 20 threads. Biden says it, and nope, not racist. Speaking of racist policies, haven't seen one single one of you mention Biden's crime bill, or Harris keeping black men in jail for labor. I mean seriously, I'm not trying to even be smart, why do you guys give the left a pass on anything and everything they do that's literally racist?
 
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joevol33 said:
And Biden said you needed an Indian accent to go in a 7-11. If trump said that, you guys would have been screeching. If he had said anything about a racial jungle, poor kids being as smart as white kids, or told black people they weren't black, there would've been 20 threads. Biden says it, and nope, not racist. Speaking of racist policies, haven't seen one single one of you mention Biden's crime bill, or Harris keeping black men in jail for labor. I mean seriously, I'm not trying to even be smart, why do you guys give the left a pass on anything and everything they do that's literally racist?
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Biden sucks. So does Trump. Don't defend either of them. Trump sold your kids out to $3T+ in debt just this year alone. He's a fkn clown. "But Biden" is not a good argument, especially when made to someone who despises Biden.
 
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DJimgo said:
Yeah, it seems like a helluva waste of money but that's the deal. I'll be curious if Donnie hits the banquet circuit on 1/21. While I admittedly don't care for him, I do hope to have his
tireless energy when I get that old.
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I think there is no doubt. More than a real estate tycoon, his most accurate job description is a promoter. He will have ample opportunity to promote himself and anything licensing his name. In fact, he may profit more out of the office more than any president before or after.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Biden sucks. So does Trump. Don't defend either of them. Trump sold your kids out to $3T+ in debt just this year alone. He's a fkn clown. "But Biden" is not a good argument, especially when made to someone who despises Biden.
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No question Biden isn’t a great choice but he can’t possibly be worse than Trump. Here’s a clue. Great Presidents or even competent ones don’t get tossed after one term. Never happens. And Donnie is now acting like the deposed dictator of a 3rd world banana republic. All of this fraud junk is just a thinly veiled attempt to undermine and circumvent the democratic system that rejected him, leave Biden with as much mess as he can and to generate funds to cover campaign debt. His ego can’t take it and he’s throwing a prolonged tantrum. No big shock there. But I am surprised that some of the Republican senators are so scared of him that they continue to assist in the farce. Thought some of them had some backbone and that’s disappointing.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Biden sucks. So does Trump. Don't defend either of them. Trump sold your kids out to $3T+ in debt just this year alone. He's a fkn clown. "But Biden" is not a good argument, especially when made to someone who despises Biden.
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We can agree on that much, neither is great.
 
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