Tidbits on The Coaching Search and Pearl Leaving

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UT IE 95 said:
It's a sad day on the hill when our beloved program is settling for Kiffins, Dooleys, Marshalls of the world. You hire stepping stone coaches you become a stepping stone program.
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Wasn't Kiffin one of the hotter coaches on the market when we hired him? Also, what makes you think Marshall is a stepping stone coach?

orange parmejohn said:
i know nothing about college bb coaches but this Marshall guy, from some of the reactions on here, def doesnt seem to be a hi five each other kinda hire.:hmm:
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He built Winthrop to prominence from nothing. They were 7-20 the year before he got there. His first year, they were 21-8 and made the tournament. In fact, they made the tournament in 7 of his 9 seasons. That's remarkable and should've made him one of the hottest coaches on the market.

Instead, Wichita State snagged him. Since then, he's improved in each of his four seasons there and is one win away from the all-time single season record for the Shockers (they're in the NIT semis, so he has a chance for two more wins).

I don't know why people are down on him, but I think he'd be a great hire.
 
#127
#127
UT IE 95 said:
Going from the guy that took your program to their first ever #1 ranking to a guy with one NCAA tournament win and an inablity to win the MVC will take the air out of the program pretty fast.
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Incipient said:
He built Winthrop to prominence from nothing. They were 7-20 the year before he got there. His first year, they were 21-8 and made the tournament. In fact, they made the tournament in 7 of his 9 seasons. That's remarkable and should've made him one of the hottest coaches on the market.

Instead, Wichita State snagged him. Since then, he's improved in each of his four seasons there and is one win away from the all-time single season record for the Shockers (they're in the NIT semis, so he has a chance for two more wins).

I don't know why people are down on him, but I think he'd be a great hire.
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Good points.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Going from the guy that took your program to their first ever #1 ranking to a guy with one NCAA tournament win and an inablity to win the MVC will take the air out of the program pretty fast.
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Come on IE. Marshall is solid. I'm not saying he's going to be winning national titles, but I think he's a very solid prospect. He's improved Wichita State every year. And his tenure at Winthrop is obviously well-documented.
 
#129
#129
UT IE 95 said:
It's a sad day on the hill when our beloved program is settling for Kiffins, Dooleys, Marshalls of the world. You hire stepping stone coaches you become a stepping stone program.
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First off, Tennessee football is not a stepping stone program. The Dooley hire looks to have been a good one, and we have the tradition, funds, and facilities to take away the desire to step to a new stone.
 
#130
#130
Incipient said:
Wasn't Kiffin one of the hotter coaches on the market when we hired him? Also, what makes you think Marshall is a stepping stone coach?



He built Winthrop to prominence from nothing. They were 7-20 the year before he got there. His first year, they were 21-8 and made the tournament. In fact, they made the tournament in 7 of his 9 seasons. That's remarkable and should've made him one of the hottest coaches on the market.

Instead, Wichita State snagged him. Since then, he's improved in each of his four seasons there and is one win away from the all-time single season record for the Shockers (they're in the NIT semis, so he has a chance for two more wins).

I don't know why people are down on him, but I think he'd be a great hire.
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that is what worries me. Dooley 2.0 i like Dooley alot, but it was a mess when he was hired.
 
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Incipient said:
Wasn't Kiffin one of the hotter coaches on the market when we hired him? Also, what makes you think Marshall is a stepping stone coach?
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Kiffin's name was known because of the fireworks in Oakland. Only a deperate college program would hire him - and now two have. He's got to be the luckiest man on the planet.

As for Marshall being a stepping stone coach - he's still climbing the coaching ranks. We're not going after an established BCS coach - we're getting guys that are cutting their teeth on the minor circuits.

Incipient said:
He built Winthrop to prominence from nothing. They were 7-20 the year before he got there. His first year, they were 21-8 and made the tournament. In fact, they made the tournament in 7 of his 9 seasons. That's remarkable and should've made him one of the hottest coaches on the market.

Instead, Wichita State snagged him. Since then, he's improved in each of his four seasons there and is one win away from the all-time single season record for the Shockers (they're in the NIT semis, so he has a chance for two more wins).

I don't know why people are down on him, but I think he'd be a great hire.
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The Winthrop example is a a favorable one. But look at Wichita State the season before he arrived compared to his first season.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
that is what worries me. Dooley 2.0 i like Dooley alot, but it was a mess when he was hired.
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His resume is much better than Dooley's, so hopefully that will quell some of the negativity. Also, I don't think there's as much negativity. But Hamilton has never been great at PR, so negativity in the fan base is always a concern.
 
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Count_Dooley said:
First off, Tennessee football is not a stepping stone program. The Dooley hire looks to have been a good one, and we have the tradition, funds, and facilities to take away the desire to step to a new stone.
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I like Dooley a lot and think he has a chance to do well. But we hired a guy from a Louisiana directional school as the head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers. We are clearly not a destination program or our candidate pool wouldn't have included Dooley to begin with.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Come on IE. Marshall is solid. I'm not saying he's going to be winning national titles, but I think he's a very solid prospect. He's improved Wichita State every year. And his tenure at Winthrop is obviously well-documented.
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He may be a fine coach. But of all the BCS job openings, a Gregg Marshall hire would be the low watermark.

Arkansas just hired a BCS coach. And we're talking about hiring the Shockers head coach?
 
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#137
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UT IE 95 said:
As for Marshall being a stepping stone coach - he's still climbing the coaching ranks. We're not going after an established BCS coach - we're getting guys that are cutting their teeth on the minor circuits.

The Winthrop example is a a favorable one. But look at Wichita State the season before he arrived compared to his first season.
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Don't most coaches get hired from the minor circuits? Sean Miller was at Xavier when Arizona hired him. Billy Donovan was at Marshall when Florida hired him. Jay Wright was at Hofstra when 'Nova hired him. Calhoun was at Northeastern when UConn hired him. Coach K was at Army when Duke hired him. Hiring somebody from a mid-major isn't necessarily bad; it seems to be standard procedure for pretty much everyone except Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, and UCLA.

Wichita State fell off greatly the year before Marshall came (14-4 in conference to 8-10) and again in his first year (8-10 to 4-14), but since has improved in each of his following three years. I'm not sure what happened there, but it was before he got there, and he's done well to reverse it, albeit not as quickly as he did at Winthrop. Unless we have reason to believe the problem was of his own making, I'm okay with that.
 
#138
#138
UT IE 95 said:
As for Marshall being a stepping stone coach - he's still climbing the coaching ranks. We're not going after an established BCS coach - we're getting guys that are cutting their teeth on the minor circuits.



The Winthrop example is a a favorable one. But look at Wichita State the season before he arrived compared to his first season.
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Pearl wasn't an established BCS coach either. I do understand the trepidation about Marshall because he's not a "sexy" name.

Wichita was 17-14 the year before he got there and was 8-10 in conference and he's built the program up so I don't see the concern there.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
He took over a sweet 16 team at Wichita St.

He may be a fine coach. But of all the BCS job openings, a Gregg Marshall hire would be the low watermark.

Arkansas just hired a BCS coach. And we're talking about hiring the Shockers head coach?
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JZVOL said:
Pearl wasn't an established BCS coach either. I do understand the trepidation about Marshall because he's not a "sexy" name.

Wichita was 17-14 the year before he got there and was 8-10 in conference and he's built the program up so I don't see the concern there.
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For that matter, how many big name coaches has UT hired in any sport the past 50 years? Coach Majors would be the closest thing to a big name coach that has come to UT and that is for obvious reasons.
 
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#142
JZVOL said:
Wichita was 17-14 the year before he got there and was 8-10 in conference and he's built the program up so I don't see the concern there.
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Yeah. I had my years wrong. I thought Turgeon left after the sweet 16 run.
 
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#145
LawVol13 said:
I agree. I have no idea why they would even bring that up. It seems irrelevant to me.
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Probably to remind people what we're dealing with when he does speak. Also, with him not able to speak publicly, the media has to rely on others stories on Pearl. And we all know how his peers feel about him.
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#146
#146
JZVOL said:
Like I said I understand people not flipping over him, but I think he would certainly not be a flop type of hire.
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Our basketball program fan base is in building mode. You bring in a name guy and he'll get a pass for a year or two. You bring in Marshall and he better be successful right away or the building fan base will start to drop off quickly.
 
#147
#147
UT IE 95 said:
He may be a fine coach. But of all the BCS job openings, a Gregg Marshall hire would be the low watermark.
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I guess that's why Georgia Tech is sending people to watch Wichita play in the Garden and try and jump ahead of Tennessee in line for Marshall.

Great point on Anderson to Arkansas. I'm sure his personal and professional history had nothing to do with him taking that job. Arkansas obviously did the greatest sales job since Tennessee amazingly convinced Johnny Majors to return to Knoxville.
 
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#148
UT IE 95 said:
Going from the guy that took your program to their first ever #1 ranking to a guy with one NCAA tournament win and an inablity to win the MVC will take the air out of the program pretty fast.
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Yea, Pearl did such a great job destroying the program, it will be very hard to find anyone who can do more damage than Pearl did.
 
#149
#149
NYYVol said:
Probably to remind people what we're dealing with when he does speak. Also, with him not able to speak publicly, the media has to rely on others stories on Pearl. And we all know how his peers feel about him.
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I'm not doubting the validity of your post, but where are there quotes from Pearl's peers on how they feel about him?
 
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