Tim Banks is either lying or delusional.

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37620VOL said:
They don't bother me. You want him to say, "the only thing that sucks worse than our secondary is our linebackers"? Anything other than that or "no comment" is going to be sugar coated or deflectionary coach speak.
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How about, “I did a crappy job and it’s unacceptable. I need to do a hell of a lot better.” That would be a start.
 
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BTW, lying and delusion are NOT mutually exclusive you know. Many people pull both off quite well. (And everyone reading this already has two or three names in mind 😂)
 
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utvolpj said:
They weren't that bad statistically. They gave up some yards but play a lot of snaps
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And how many games did we take the starters out with big leads and give up a lot of yards with the backups? We had a top rush defense and dealt with a ton of injuries in the secondary. Pretty good when everyone was healthy.
 
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Honest Abe said:
And how many games did we take the starters out with big leads and give up a lot of yards with the backups? We had a top rush defense and dealt with a ton of injuries in the secondary. Pretty good when everyone was healthy.
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And the Captain of the Titanic statistically had a great career. But that last voyage 😬.
Sorry but giving up touchdowns on 10 of 11 possessions is a sign that something was seriously wrong at least that one week.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
For him to say that he coached a “really good defense is just ludicrous. It is beyond “coachspeak”.
Why not say that we really struggled and had some key injuries and youth or something. But don’t pee on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.

Tim Banks calls South Carolina game ‘anomaly’ for Tennessee’s ‘really good defense’
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He spoke to the Knoxville QBs Club this fall after a particularly stinky defensive performance that almost lost us the game. We won…can’t recall which game it was. He said something that startled me, and I paraphrase: “ Yeah, we’ve got some things to improve but at the end of the day, we won the game.” That was his spin. I’m pretty sure this was before the GA game.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
No, I was responding to the idea that we gave up alot of yards because teams had to pass to catch up with us. Clearly, that is irrelevant. If you have teams in a situation where they have to be one dimensional, generally that is good for a defense. I haven't been bashing Banks all year, but if he thinks we played "really good defense" this year, he may be a bigger part of the problem than I realized.
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You make a good point about an opposing offense being one dimensional, but that is also offset by fatigue if your defense is on the field 2/3 of the plays IF you don't have the depth and talent on defense to offset the fatigue. We're in year two of a rebuild, trying to stack good classes and portal acquisitions to have that depth and talent. I think you should concede that with an offense like ours, a defense needs a higher than normal amount of quality depth at every position.

I'm not alarmed about anything a coach says, I'm watching what he does. If Banks is responsible for the poor performance of the secondary, then he gets credit for the good performance of the DL. You don't just go tossing coordinators out with the trash unless there is no doubt cause, and we aren't there yet. If anyone should be on the hot seat, it's Martinez, and I wouldn't let him go without more reason to just yet. Firing any of the coaches causes instability, and the HC has to weigh all of that.

And I trust Heupel to evaluate and make the changes he thinks are necessary, or not.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Our offense scoring quickly has nothing to do with our defense not being able to get off the field.
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VolGee4 said:
Total defense is yards per game…that is a volume stat. We are never going to be high in that category because we score quick on offense and opponents have to pass the ball to catch up. Not a stat to consider.
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Doesn't matter about the yards what matters is getting off the field 2 to 3 more times a game. Our offense has been known to score with such ease that if our defense was just 2 to 3 drives better the game wouldn't even be close that is just how good we have been and it has been overshadowed by the woes of our defense.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
For him to say that he coached a “really good defense is just ludicrous. It is beyond “coachspeak”.
Why not say that we really struggled and had some key injuries and youth or something. But don’t pee on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.

Tim Banks calls South Carolina game ‘anomaly’ for Tennessee’s ‘really good defense’
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I'm sorry you don't understand how the real world works. Coaches are not going to say their defense is horrid publicly 3 days before a bowl.
 
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Some of you really thought the man should go up there and say "We were pretty bad out there. I mean, it's like I wasn't even trying. Go rewatch the USC game, and then will tell you who we are" or some type other of self-inflicting a wound. All for no reason other than some sensitive people on Volnation will pout about positive framing in a thread that nobody will remember in three days.
I hope when you're asked about the results of your work or anything else, you are so inclined to talk about the all negatives and not try to frame yourself or result in a positive way. The guy really said nothing at all wrong and now has a paging thread about it because people caught a case of the butt hurt.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
For him to say that he coached a “really good defense is just ludicrous. It is beyond “coachspeak”.
Why not say that we really struggled and had some key injuries and youth or something. But don’t pee on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.

Tim Banks calls South Carolina game ‘anomaly’ for Tennessee’s ‘really good defense’
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I have a LOT of criticisms about our defense this season. Banks is on the bottom of that list. Got to get some better athletes in positions and have some decent depth before I bring the thunder down on him.
 
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The LSU and Kentucky games, we played pretty well on defense. The rest of the season against good competition, we were bad on defense. The game against South Carolina we were atrocious on defense. The worst defense I have ever seen at Tennessee. Do I think he needs better players? Yes I do, but our players are not as bad as the 63 points SC scored. Bottom line, Mr. Banks needs to coach his players up. Martinez needs to coach better too. If not, CJH will make a change. He sees what we see and he also sees our lack of talent on that side of the ball. Next year will be Banks/Martinez time in the barrel. They better both be better and produce. Go Vols beat the tigers and that whinny Dabo.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Did you read his quotes.
We in no way shape or form were a “really good defense” this year.
You lose all credibility saying things like that.
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Actually yes we were. especially when you put it all in perspective. We had one of the better run defenses (19th rushing yards allowed/game). But the important stat to take into consideration is the amount of time the defense spent on the field. only 2 teams' defenses spent more time on the field than UT. ODU and Kent State. Of all the teams that were in the top 20 in that category, UT stands out because our defense spent a lot of time on the field because our offense scored so much. The other teams were in that situation because of an overload of 3 and outs.

It is not going to be possible with this type of offense to have what most people here would call a GREAT defense statistically. You put any defense out on the field enough times in a game and they are gonna get exposed. Was our secondary a weakness on this defense? Definitely but they were also hurt pretty much every week and not just 1 or 2 guys. Continuity is a big deal and having bodies is an even bigger deal when your defense is playing this many snaps.

Our front 7 was really good this year especially when put in context. If we look at the USCe game as an aberration then the numbers are actually a lot better. Even with that game we only gave up 23.5 points a game. Actually outside of passing attempts/yards, penalties and possession we were above average in every defensive stat. All of those things can be explained by the offense and the secondary injuries. P{eople talk like this team was giving up like 30 points a game and barely made a bowl. You remove the USCe game and we gave up 19.9 points a game. We only gave up more than 27 points 3 times.. Half of our games we held our opponent under 14 points. realistically and statistically we only had 3 bad defensive performances this whole year. Florida, Alabama and USCe, we won 2 of those. Georgia was only held under 37 points 3 times this year.

I am just saying the defense was not nearly as bad as advertised and is not a reason to be worried especially given what we have returning and coming in. We will probably regress some on offense just because of the talent that's leaving on that side of the ball. But the defense will improve, if they can stay healthy.
 
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You can't win the Kentucky derby on a mule. We simply need to recruit better defensive players. They are filling those needs and as a result, Tim Banks will look better in the future. These coaches have done more with less than any other coach in a long time.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Did you read his quotes.
We in no way shape or form were a “really good defense” this year.
You lose all credibility saying things like that.
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It was an interesting season. Because in certain games (LSU, Ky and a few others) the defense actually was very good. But, there certainly were some stinkers in there that left a lingering, bad impression (Al, mostly SC, and a few others to a lesser extent).

As others point out above, I think you have to be careful basing a judgment based on total yards and points. With the way our offense scores so quickly, it’s going to lead to more possessions for the opposition, and thus more yards and points.

And as still others point out, the secondary certainly coulda been better. And we will have some key losses that need to be replaced at other positions, too.
 
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pimo1 said:
Actually yes we were. especially when you put it all in perspective. We had one of the better run defenses (19th rushing yards allowed/game). But the important stat to take into consideration is the amount of time the defense spent on the field. only 2 teams' defenses spent more time on the field than UT. ODU and Kent State. Of all the teams that were in the top 20 in that category, UT stands out because our defense spent a lot of time on the field because our offense scored so much. The other teams were in that situation because of an overload of 3 and outs.

It is not going to be possible with this type of offense to have what most people here would call a GREAT defense statistically. You put any defense out on the field enough times in a game and they are gonna get exposed. Was our secondary a weakness on this defense? Definitely but they were also hurt pretty much every week and not just 1 or 2 guys. Continuity is a big deal and having bodies is an even bigger deal when your defense is playing this many snaps.

Our front 7 was really good this year especially when put in context. If we look at the USCe game as an aberration then the numbers are actually a lot better. Even with that game we only gave up 23.5 points a game. Actually outside of passing attempts/yards, penalties and possession we were above average in every defensive stat. All of those things can be explained by the offense and the secondary injuries. P{eople talk like this team was giving up like 30 points a game and barely made a bowl. You remove the USCe game and we gave up 19.9 points a game. We only gave up more than 27 points 3 times.. Half of our games we held our opponent under 14 points. realistically and statistically we only had 3 bad defensive performances this whole year. Florida, Alabama and USCe, we won 2 of those. Georgia was only held under 37 points 3 times this year.

I am just saying the defense was not nearly as bad as advertised and is not a reason to be worried especially given what we have returning and coming in. We will probably regress some on offense just because of the talent that's leaving on that side of the ball. But the defense will improve, if they can stay healthy.
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Very accurate as I have went back and looked at the numbers it is very clear had it not been for the games against Richardson, Young, and Rattler I am pretty sure we are not having this conversation and the numbers really back it up. I don't think it was what they did it how easy they did it.
 
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