Time for holly to go!

#51
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WVU05UT09 said:
Yeah and based upon winning the SEC last year we should have seen marked improvement given the returning talent. Instead a complete drop off.

The wheels haven't fallen off the wagon yet, but if they lose to Florida and Texas A&M falling to 3-4 in conference I'd love for you to come back and explain why she shouldn't be held accountable.
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Accountability is one thing. Wanting to fire a coach less than a year after winning the most competitive conference in the nation and going to the Elite Eight is a completely different moronic topic.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Accountability is one thing. Wanting to fire a coach less than a year after winning the most competitive conference in the nation and going to the Elite Eight is a completely different moronic topic.
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Fair enough. But two points. Winning the SEC has been of little to no consequence on the national scene in 5 years. So while that means something to "the guardians" of the program, for people like myself concerned with the national scene it means little.

Secondly, play what if with me for a second? What if I told you that same coach took a 14-2 SEC champion team to finish 7-9 and that team lost little production from the year before? That's a 0.875 SEC win percentage to 0.438. A 50% depreciation from the year before. In business that gets a CEO fired....
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Accountability is one thing. Wanting to fire a coach less than a year after winning the most competitive conference in the nation and going to the Elite Eight is a completely different moronic topic.
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Do you even watch the games in your blind following of a clearly incapable coach? It kills me when people point to numbers and fail to understand context. She was given, given, a Final Four team and still manages to get beat by most any team with anything in the vicinity of our talent. That she won a talent deficient SEC last year with this golden cast of characters is only hiding the fact that, when someone bothers to watch them, they are, without question, poorly coached, motivated and lacking quality leadership from the bench.

I saw the same crap from the Dooley years. It blows my mind that fans are so attached to the coach that they will ignore the obvious signs that the program is suffering. Warlick is a career assistant and coaches like one. She's going to slowly but surely sink the greatest women's program ever back to the pack while 3-5 other programs reap the rewards of what used to be ours.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Fair enough. But two points. Winning the SEC has been of little to no consequence on the national scene in 5 years. So while that means something to "the guardians" of the program, for people like myself concerned with the national scene it means little.

Secondly, play what if with me for a second? What if I told you that same coach took a 14-2 SEC champion team to finish 7-9 and that team lost little production from the year before? That's a 0.875 SEC win percentage to 0.438. A 50% depreciation from the year before. In business that gets a CEO fired....
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Winning the SEC had a consequence nationally last year, the league had by far the most teams ranked in the top 25, the most make the NCAA tournament and the most Sweet 16 participants.

On your second point, a one-year drop-off does not get a coach fired. 2 or 3 years, sure. But no team in any sport dumps a coach after one bad year. Particularly coming off a successful year.

But this team isn't going 7-9, so I don't see your example as even being a legitimate question.
 
#55
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When the fundamentals drop off, like passing and defense, and turnovers go up, then the girls aren't practicing hard or in the right way. That falls on coaching. Holly needs to kick some ass, or she won't be around long. She strikes me in her press conferences that she is too soft to command respect of the players.
 
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Unimane said:
Do you even watch the games in your blind following of a clearly incapable coach? It kills me when people point to numbers and fail to understand context. She was given, given, a Final Four team and still manages to get beat by most any team with anything in the vicinity of our talent. That she won a talent deficient SEC last year with this golden cast of characters is only hiding the fact that, when someone bothers to watch them, they are, without question, poorly coached, motivated and lacking quality leadership from the bench.

I saw the same crap from the Dooley years. It blows my mind that fans are so attached to the coach that they will ignore the obvious signs that the program is suffering. Warlick is a career assistant and coaches like one. She's going to slowly but surely sink the greatest women's program ever back to the pack while 3-5 other programs reap the rewards of what used to be ours.
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I definitely watch the games. I attend most of them at home. Do you? Because the first paragraph suggests you do not.

The team she inherited last year was not a Final Four team. It had been a sweet 16 team the year before and graduated its four best players.

Second, as I mentioned in the post above, the SEC was not talent-deficient last season, nor is it this season. The SEC has/had more top 25 teams than any other conference in both seasons. Last year, the SEC had more NCAA bids and sweet 16 appearances than any other. How is that "talent deficient?"

I'm not "attached to the coach." I'm attached to winning. We did that last year. I'm not ready to jump off her bandwagon after four losses. I don't think four losses is a clear sign of anything. This isn't football, where four losses is some sort of disaster.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Winning the SEC had a consequence nationally last year, the league had by far the most teams ranked in the top 25, the most make the NCAA tournament and the most Sweet 16 participants.

On your second point, a one-year drop-off does not get a coach fired. 2 or 3 years, sure. But no team in any sport dumps a coach after one bad year. Particularly coming off a successful year.

But this team isn't going 7-9, so I don't see your example as even being a legitimate question.
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With all due respect, you brag about the talent of the SEC yet you lay out the 7-9 as not a legitimate question? If it is as talented as you suggest shouldn't it be legitimate based on the way this team plays? That's completely contradictory. I suspect you are like many of the following who are simply living in the past in denial about the state of the program.

Based upon the performances since the start of January I suspect the following could end up losses:

1/23 vs. Florida
1/26 at Texas A&M
2/10 vs. Vanderbilt
2/16 vs. Kentucky
2/23 at Missouri (we will have all kinds of trouble with their perimeter shooters--ala tonight).
2/27 at LSU
3/2 vs. South Carolina

Why am I wrong?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I definitely watch the games. I attend most of them at home. Do you? Because the first paragraph suggests you do not.

The team she inherited last year was not a Final Four team. It had been a sweet 16 team the year before and graduated its four best players.

Second, as I mentioned in the post above, the SEC was not talent-deficient last season, nor is it this season. The SEC has/had more top 25 teams than any other conference in both seasons. Last year, the SEC had more NCAA bids and sweet 16 appearances than any other. How is that "talent deficient?"

I'm not "attached to the coach." I'm attached to winning. We did that last year. I'm not ready to jump off her bandwagon after four losses. I don't think four losses is a clear sign of anything. This isn't football, where four losses is some sort of disaster.
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You keep focusing on the what and not the how. The team lacks poise, heart, focus, direction, flow, organization, etc., all things that come from the coach. The "winning" is due to the available talent and the level of competition. We haven't beat anyone of comparable talent in a long while. Jerry Green's teams played the same way as these Lady Vol teams play and he rang up a quartet of 20 win seasons while failing at every opportunity to achieve beyond their bottom capabilities. That fits Warlick's teams to a T, so to speak.

And, yes, the SEC is not good, especially in comparison with what Summitt used to experience in this league. It's a shadow of what the Big East is now, or whatever it's being called these days. Or, to be more direct, are we on the level of programs such as UConn, Baylor, Notre Dame and Stanford these days? Nope, not even close and this is women's basketball, not football or men's basketball. There's a severe drop off after the top 5, so being in the top 10 isn't quite as big a deal as those sports. A program such as UT should set up camp in the top 10, hell even the top 5.

The only unfortunate thing is that it will take too long for most to see the obvious, just like it was for Dooley, even though the proof is right in front of everyone.
 
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this is CHWs second season as the head coach of the Lady Vols and the support from the fan base is falling off drastically after a successful first year effort

the Elite 8 isn't anything to shake your head at,for a first year coach and no ,it doesn't matter how long or short your career as an assistant coach has been,it is a significant stepping stone

what we need to be focused on right now,is how well CHW and the team does from here on out,I'm not worried about the past or the future,like it has been said,control what you can and don't worry about anything else and see what happens

we have seen flashes of how well or poor this team can play,so suck it up and be a Lady Vols fan,they obviously need our support


as All Ways Go lady Vols :clapping:
 
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roddo518 said:
I didn't like the fact that we just slid her into the position in the first place. I guess out of favor to Pat, but she is not an elite coach in my opinion. I really think the small time coach at utm is a better X's and O's guy. We either need a guy like that or some big name that will get the base excited. For Pete's sake, holly Warlicks basketball show is called...the lady vols basketball show...and in fine print it also says ...because no one knows who the hell holly is! It was embarrassing to watch our girls effort in second half tonite.
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We should of went after Mathew Mitchell, or Nikki Caldwell.
 
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My perspective is that of a 1974 graduate who for some reason got on the Summitt bandwagon early...I'm
male...played a non revenue sport, badly I might add...I have average knowledge of basketball in general....I tend to hold coaches and other people in leadership positions to a high standard...

To some earlier points.....I think Holly deserved a chance to coach the program and I think those wanting her removed is unwarranted...she certainly achieved at a high level last year....her ability to recruit is to be determined, as is almost everything really...I have some concerns with some of abilities and decision making ability but I had some of Summitt as well....some significant ones in fact however she is/was my favorite coach all time, any sport, any gender....however I don't think she's the best...

My biggest concern with Holly is her communication skills...her demeanor....her persona....she's not an effective communicator....she doesn't present her thoughts well....lacks focus....not concise....not clear, Â….obviously what I/we only see is very limited and you may think this isn't important but I think the way you communicate, especially with your players and staff is critical...

Lastly, it goes without saying that change is difficult....the way you behave, or do things is difficult.....changing belief systems is much more difficult and rare...
 
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i do have to say that CHW sucks in interviews,she just doesn't look comfortable in front of a camera,hopefully that isn't what is going on in the locker room
 
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Folks, you are witnessing the destruction of Women's Basketball at UT !!! Things will get worse and worse from now on out. Get ready, more to come.
 
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My guess here but I assume Holly getting the job was Pat's demand upon exit. Maybe Pearl can oversee both programs.
 
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governmentmule said:
i do have to say that CHW sucks in interviews,she just doesn't look comfortable in front of a camera,hopefully that isn't what is going on in the locker room
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