Time for holly to go!

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Volfan2012 said:
Holly has a contract through 2017. Hart doesn't care much for women's sports she will have a couple more seasons at least. Right now he is hoping to get the big money maker football straightened out. We can post these get rid of Holly posts all we want she is here for another two years at least.
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this, so sad to see it all fall apart though.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
We're a season removed from an SEC Championship and still ranked in the top 10. I still fail to see how it's falling apart.
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Here is the deception folks. Those inside and closest to program are going to start selling this line about "SEC Championships" to keep the wolves off Holly. When Kentucky mens basketball, the UConn women, and UNC mens basketball programs start defining success based on conference championships then I'll go for it--until then, no chance. UK men have like 43 SEC titles and no one in the Bluegrass State gives a sh*t.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Here is the deception folks. Those inside and closest to program are going to start selling this line about "SEC Championships" to keep the wolves off Holly. When Kentucky mens basketball, the UConn women, and UNC mens basketball programs start defining success based on conference championships then I'll go for it--until then, no chance. UK men have like 43 SEC titles and no one in the Bluegrass State gives a sh*t.
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So you think, as the poster I was quoting said, that winning your conference and going to the Elite Eight is "the program falling apart?" That's a pretty big leap.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
So you think, as the poster I was quoting said, that winning your conference and going to the Elite Eight is "the program falling apart?" That's a pretty big leap.
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No, it is not falling apart--yet. That story will be written by the seasons end. I would say this though, a high school coach of mine once said in life you are either moving forward or falling behind--rarely are you actually in neutral. I generally think that's true 95% of the time. So while it may not be "falling apart", in the case of this program it is unquestionably falling behind (and has been since 2008).

Contrary to how my posts may sound I'm not for Holly being fired...yet. Even if I were athletic director I would probably give her a third year regardless for no other reason than the bad reputation that will establish for the school going forward. By the end of the season though I think we will have a better grasp on whether we are moving forward or falling behind and what should be said to Holly at the year end review. The back end of this schedule is very challenging considering how we have played as of late. Based upon last years result, I think anything less than a conference championship or Elite 8 appearance should warrant no raise or extension, a blunt assessment about the expectations for year three, and a road map detailing what constitutes failure the result of which would be her termination.

My fear is a Tubby Smith type of situation here--minus the national championship in year one.
 
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We will know about Warlick by the end of this year--and certainly by the end of next year. Next year this entire team except Simmons will be back, plus Tucker and the incoming freshman--not a great class but supposedly one or two outside shooters. We need some talented wings who can shoot and defend and be dependable--that is a weakness, but this team is pretty talented and next year's should be even better. We'll see what Warlick can do. Right now, the evidence is not very encouraging. We can't beat good teams with just two players carrying the load, or even three (the erratic Simmons); we need five/six players making solid contributions--and we're not getting that right now from Graves and Burdick and others.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
I am 100% in agreement with you there. The track program is rock bottom. The other sports are at best middle of the road. The men's BB is headed for mediocrity (if it isn't already there). I haven't given up on women's BB yet based on the last 2 games, but there is cause for concern.

With the majority of the programs in such poor condition, the only conclusion that can be drawn is the administration and the Board of Trustees have failed the athletics programs at UT. Given time and support, I believe Hart can get it turned around, but I doubt the support is there. There is absolutely NO excuse for these failures at UT with all of the resources and committed fan base to be in this condition. Just firing a couple of coaches won't get it done. The rot at the top must be rooted out. There was a reason Charlie Strong backed out at the last minute. Look it up.
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was it because of Hart ?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
So you think, as the poster I was quoting said, that winning your conference and going to the Elite Eight is "the program falling apart?" That's a pretty big leap.
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we must be spoiled rotten as Lady Vols fans,to think that an elite 8 appearance by a first year coach is bad
 
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I think Holly would win a National Championship if she had Candace Parker. That is the last one Pat won had some tough years after she left. Holly may need to recruit better we need a post player Aja Wilson will do fine.
 
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We need to be patient I think we got a lot more talent coming next season. We should be a lot better when those players get here.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
With all due respect, you brag about the talent of the SEC yet you lay out the 7-9 as not a legitimate question? If it is as talented as you suggest shouldn't it be legitimate based on the way this team plays? That's completely contradictory. I suspect you are like many of the following who are simply living in the past in denial about the state of the program.

Based upon the performances since the start of January I suspect the following could end up losses:

1/26 at Texas A&M
2/10 vs. Vanderbilt
2/16 vs. Kentucky
2/23 at Missouri (we will have all kinds of trouble with their perimeter shooters--ala tonight).
2/27 at LSU
3/2 vs. South Carolina

Why am I wrong?
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Considering all but Missouri are in the Top 25(Kentucky is 9 according to ESPN) and TA&M, VU, and USC are all three aiming for SEC regular season title at the moment, I'd say our chances aren't that great. We get Vandy and Kentucky back to back at home after playing two road games, so that will be fun.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Here is the deception folks. Those inside and closest to program are going to start selling this line about "SEC Championships" to keep the wolves off Holly. When Kentucky mens basketball, the UConn women, and UNC mens basketball programs start defining success based on conference championships then I'll go for it--until then, no chance. UK men have like 43 SEC titles and no one in the Bluegrass State gives a sh*t.
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We're not those people and we're not in those states and we're not fans of any of those programs. What they do or say doesn't mean anything to me. Wonder what each of them were saying when they were struggling to even get into a championship game?
 
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Slydell said:
We're not those people and we're not in those states and we're not fans of any of those programs. What they do or say doesn't mean anything to me. Wonder what each of them were saying when they were struggling to even get into a championship game?
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In one sentence you say what they do or say doesn't matter to you. In the very next sentence, you say it does matter to you. :loco:
 
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roddo518 said:
I didn't like the fact that we just slid her into the position in the first place. I guess out of favor to Pat, but she is not an elite coach in my opinion. I really think the small time coach at utm is a better X's and O's guy. We either need a guy like that or some big name that will get the base excited. For Pete's sake, holly Warlicks basketball show is called...the lady vols basketball show...and in fine print it also says ...because no one knows who the hell holly is! It was embarrassing to watch our girls effort in second half tonite.
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A delightful blast from the past. I would have to disagree in that quite a large number of folks know who Holly is. She is the coach of the SEC Champions.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
With all due respect, you brag about the talent of the SEC yet you lay out the 7-9 as not a legitimate question? If it is as talented as you suggest shouldn't it be legitimate based on the way this team plays? That's completely contradictory. I suspect you are like many of the following who are simply living in the past in denial about the state of the program.

Based upon the performances since the start of January I suspect the following could end up losses:

1/23 vs. Florida
1/26 at Texas A&M
2/10 vs. Vanderbilt
2/16 vs. Kentucky
2/23 at Missouri (we will have all kinds of trouble with their perimeter shooters--ala tonight).
2/27 at LSU
3/2 vs. South Carolina

Why am I wrong?
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You were wrong because you had a preconceived wrong opinion of the team, including coaching.
 
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roddo518 said:
I didn't like the fact that we just slid her into the position in the first place. I guess out of favor to Pat, but she is not an elite coach in my opinion. I really think the small time coach at utm is a better X's and O's guy. We either need a guy like that or some big name that will get the base excited. For Pete's sake, holly Warlicks basketball show is called...the lady vols basketball show...and in fine print it also says ...because no one knows who the hell holly is! It was embarrassing to watch our girls effort in second half tonite.
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:lolabove:.....time to eat some crow...
 
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Unimane said:
Do you even watch the games in your blind following of a clearly incapable coach? It kills me when people point to numbers and fail to understand context. She was given, given, a Final Four team and still manages to get beat by most any team with anything in the vicinity of our talent. That she won a talent deficient SEC last year with this golden cast of characters is only hiding the fact that, when someone bothers to watch them, they are, without question, poorly coached, motivated and lacking quality leadership from the bench.

I saw the same crap from the Dooley years. It blows my mind that fans are so attached to the coach that they will ignore the obvious signs that the program is suffering. Warlick is a career assistant and coaches like one. She's going to slowly but surely sink the greatest women's program ever back to the pack while 3-5 other programs reap the rewards of what used to be ours.
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You seem to have already rendered a verdict and don't care about waiting for the necessary data to arrive. Last year, Holly had the most successful season since our last National Championship. If we just make it to the elite 8, we will match that success and have a chance to do better with a #1 seed if we can hold serve and make it to the Final 4.

Results and data do matter when assessing a coach's effectiveness, but you have to have a large enough sample size and we don't even have two full seasons yet.

The days of having a lock for a national champion or final 4 team are long gone. There is too much parity in women's college basketball. Just last year, Baylor had a dominant team returning all major contributors from their national championship team including TWO all Americans but they lost to #4 Louisville. Louisville had a decent but overall lack luster record that year leading up to the Baylor game. They lost to unranked Colorado, Depaul, and South Florida in the regular season along with several losses against ranked teams. Yet, they found a way to slay the giant.

For the record, I'm not saying Holly IS or ISN'T a good coach, bad coach, or great coach. I just don't know because I don't have enough information TO know.
 
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