Time to move on from Tim Banks

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I am talking about the secondary, genius. Are we referencing our outstanding stats against two of the worst teams in college football? Or a Florida team that could barely move the ball against Utah? Frankly, you make a lot of excuses for an average at best defense

Frankly, you didn’t say you were talking about the secondary. They aren’t a great defense. They don’t have the talent or the depth to be a great defense and they are on the field too much. They are doing the best with the tools they have. As for the coach, he isn’t the problem. Stick to weed whacking.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

LOL. I saw what I saw. They weren't playing off the WRs. They moved up to the LOS and attacked rather trying to "keep it in front". It appears they wanted to "make Mertz beat them" by containing the run game and keeping everything in front in the original game plan- bend don't break.

You are being a condescending smart aleck in a disguised effort to absolve Banks and blame the players. No thanks. You aren't as clever as you seem to think you are. Defenders of the incompetence of past HCs did the same thing.

I'm not saying there was perfect execution at any point of the game. There never is. But they weren't being put in a position to succeed by the game plan in the first half... and they didn't.

If that’s what you saw, stay away from electrical outlets, snakes and the highway.

 

[landscapingvol]

Frankly, you didn’t say you were talking about the secondary. They aren’t a great defense. They don’t have the talent or the depth to be a great defense and they are on the field too much. They are doing the best with the tools they have. As for the coach, he isn’t the problem. Stick to weed whacking.

I promise to stick to weed whacking if you promise to continue to be a fake internet expert on all things football. So, the secondary is an admitted problem in year three but it isn’t the coach’s fault? Makes sense, whose problem is it then? I will hang up and listen

 

[theFallGuy]

Give him the walking papers tomorrow.

have you called Coach Huepel and told him?

 

[VOLATNES]

Seems like to me that if you hold a team to 29 points in todays football, you did decent. Sure they had a really bad first half. No one was calling for his head against Va the first week. My opinion is Saturday was a game when all weaknesses came out at one time. Not sure any one of them is the reason we lost but put them all together at once and you had a perfect storm.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I promise to stick to weed whacking if you promise to continue to be a fake internet expert on all things football. So, the secondary is an admitted problem in year three but it isn’t the coach’s fault? Makes sense, whose problem is it then? I will hang up and listen

Just hang up. I don’t think you’re going to learn anything by listening. The secondary has improved every year. We have talented young guys who aren’t ready to play yet. Burrell and Slaughter have had a decent year. Hadden is a tradeoff of good and bad. If you can McCullough you lose experience and gain speed. I asked others. I’ll ask you. Who would you play, and what tradeoff are you willing to accept? Banks wanted to can Martinez last year. Heupel did not. I’ll be shocked if he survives this year. He’s an obvious weakness. Banks is not.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I am just a casual Fan, not a football expert so I don’t claim to know exactly what the problem actually is. But I can make one simple observation; something ain’t working right and it is very discouraging to see this poor of a defensive result in year 3 of the new staff. We shouldn’t still be having the same absolutely embarrassing defensive debacles.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Stupid post. The D was clearly not the issue tonight. I gotta blame the coaches. We weren't prepared for a single game this season. We waited until the 4th quarter to pull out last years playbook because we are using a QB that they aren't confident can run it.

I don't know. When we got the ball back after Florida's missed FG, we took it down the field and scored a TD, and did so quite impressively. Had the big MO.........the Hadden debacle seemed to deflate the team. Probably got too confident and forgot they were playing against same level athletes. I trust Josh has addressed this with his coaches. Crazy turnaround

 

[EZE]

Just hang up. I don’t think you’re going to learn anything by listening. The secondary has improved every year. We have talented young guys who aren’t ready to play yet. Burrell and Slaughter have had a decent year. Hadden is a tradeoff of good and bad. If you can McCullough you lose experience and gain speed. I asked others. I’ll ask you. Who would you play, and what tradeoff are you willing to accept? Banks wanted to can Martinez last year. Heupel did not. I’ll be shocked if he survives this year. He’s an obvious weakness. Banks is not.

I understand the personnel issues. They certainly are real, and it likely will take a few more recruiting cycles to correct them.

My only critique of Banks is that he seems to start some games in very conservative zone coverages when he thinks the opposing QB will make unforced errors (SC and Fla games are examples). The problem is that the zone is too soft, allows the opposing QB get momentum and the defense gets steamrolled.

One play stands out against Fla…It was 3rd or 4th down and around 5 from around our 10. The LBs dropped into the end zone and the DBs were in the back of the end zone. It was a very easy pitch and catch for a first down. The field is compressed down there, so I don’t understand that concept. Maybe it was an execution error. But it made it easy on Fla.

I’d prefer to be more attacking, speed the QB up and force them into mistakes. And I understand that this opens up the possibility of the deep ball…but it’s a chance I’d take.

Just my $0.02.

 

[LadyVolette]

Seems like to me that if you hold a team to 29 points in todays football, you did decent. Sure they had a really bad first half. No one was calling for his head against Va the first week. My opinion is Saturday was a game when all weaknesses came out at one time. Not sure any one of them is the reason we lost but put them all together at once and you had a perfect storm.

Agreed, it’s like everything came home to roost throw in some awful officiating and…

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I understand the personnel issues. They certainly are real, and it likely will take a few more recruiting cycles to correct them.

My only critique of Banks is that he seems to start some games in very conservative zone coverages when he thinks the opposing QB will make unforced errors (SC and Fla games are examples). The problem is that the zone is too soft, allows the opposing QB get momentum and the defense gets steamrolled.

One play stands out against Fla…It was 3rd or 4th down and around 5 from around our 10. The LBs dropped into the end zone and the DBs were in the back of the end zone. It was a very easy pitch and catch for a first down. The field is compressed down there, so I don’t understand that concept. Maybe it was an execution error. But it made it easy on Fla.

I’d prefer to be more attacking, speed the QB up and force them into mistakes. And I understand that this opens up the possibility of the deep ball…but it’s a chance I’d take.

Just my $0.02.

Fair enough. I agree that we are not good in zone coverage at DB. We played too much zone at Florida, and they smartly ran an extra receiver or rb in motion, and we left them uncovered. That fourth down was exactly that. Herring didn’t call a safety up to cover the motion receiver. He was wide open. The only place I differ, is that while the zone is soft at DB, it is designed to let us rush the qb. They neutered that with short drops. To be clear, Napier outcoached Banks. He had a great plan to exploit our weaknesses, and we bit often and did not adjust quickly enough. That isn’t cause for a firing. We have big holes. It’s going to take time to grow the young DBs and LBs.

 

[sonofUT62]

I would ask this of those who don’t think that Banks is the problem. If you were able to bet money in real time on whether or not we could stop a conversion. How much and how often would you be willing to bet. I literally have reached the point where I turn my back or refill my drink on 3rd down. If I come back from the kitchen and the opponent is punting then I’m pleasantly surprised.

 

[calban]

Offer Chavis currently in the USFL. Chavis and Garner together would be a tough act to beat.

 

[papatomany]

I would ask this of those who don’t think that Banks is the problem. If you were able to bet money in real time on whether or not we could stop a conversion. How much and how often would you be willing to bet. I literally have reached the point where I turn my back or refill my drink on 3rd down. If I come back from the kitchen and the opponent is punting then I’m pleasantly surprised.

A misconception. Our 3rd down defense was 5th in the conference last year and is, so far, 5th in the conference this year. (Last year FOURTH down defense cost us, which comes into play way less than 3rd down defense.) As I said elsewhere, 7 of 14 isn't good, but 5 of 14 is. Georgia was 5 of 13 against South Carolina. Two more stops and we're there. Banks' defense is two playmakers from being one of the most disruptive in the country, and it will stay that way until he decides to leave.

 

[papatomany]

I wonder if the same people defending Banks with all their might defended Sunseri the same way.

I can ease your mind on this one. No need to wonder. The answer is no.

 

[sonofUT62]

A misconception. Our 3rd down defense was 5th in the conference last year and is, so far, 5th in the conference this year. (Last year FOURTH down defense cost us, which comes into play way less than 3rd down defense.) As I said elsewhere, 7 of 14 isn't good, but 5 of 14 is. Georgia was 5 of 13 against South Carolina. Two more stops and we're there. Banks' defense is two playmakers from being one of the most disruptive in the country, and it will stay that way until he decides to leave.

It’s not the conversions that have turned some against him. It’s the lengths and the predictability that opponents will convert at will on 3rd and long through the air. For Gods sakes he let KY convert a 4th and 22 in a CLOSE ballgame. Maybe we just need a 2nd DC for 3/4 down.

 

[hUTch2002]

It’s not the conversions that have turned some against him. It’s the lengths and the predictability that opponents will convert at will on 3rd and long through the air. For Gods sakes he let KY convert a 4th and 22 in a CLOSE ballgame. Maybe we just need a 2nd DC for 3/4 down.

That KY game was strangely called, I’ll give you that. I don’t understand why we didn’t pressure Levis more. As soon we finally did after they converted that 4th and 22 we stopped KY. Overall I think Banks has done well though. In 2 seasons our scoring D improved about a TD from Pruitt’s last year. That’s massive, especially with a crap secondary and the style of O we play. Martinez does need to go though.

 

[orange parmejohn]

I am just a casual Fan, not a football expert so I don’t claim to know exactly what the problem actually is. But I can make one simple observation; something ain’t working right and it is very discouraging to see this poor of a defensive result in year 3 of the new staff. We shouldn’t still be having the same absolutely embarrassing defensive debacles.

It doesn’t need to be any more complicated than this.

 

[Firebirdparts]

^^ I feel the same - I'm no analyst of football. When they threw to the same guy every time, and he caught it every time, I figure that's evidence that we had a problem. He got hurt after the first hafl dozen, so I guess we'll never know how far that experiment would have lasted.

 

[FollowTheLeader]

I understand the personnel issues. They certainly are real, and it likely will take a few more recruiting cycles to correct them.

My only critique of Banks is that he seems to start some games in very conservative zone coverages when he thinks the opposing QB will make unforced errors (SC and Fla games are examples). The problem is that the zone is too soft, allows the opposing QB get momentum and the defense gets steamrolled.

One play stands out against Fla…It was 3rd or 4th down and around 5 from around our 10. The LBs dropped into the end zone and the DBs were in the back of the end zone. It was a very easy pitch and catch for a first down. The field is compressed down there, so I don’t understand that concept. Maybe it was an execution error. But it made it easy on Fla.

I’d prefer to be more attacking, speed the QB up and force them into mistakes. And I understand that this opens up the possibility of the deep ball…but it’s a chance I’d take.

Just my $0.02.

And what would be your critique of the offense right now? Is it the kids or the coaches?

 

[90 Vol]

I don't think we would be so concerned about the defense if we would take the training wheels off the offense. We made teams one dimensional last year because we lit up the scoreboard quickly and the opposing offense was under pressure to try to keep up. I think we need to muster up a little more than a tackle trap and a bubble screen. We may give up a few sacks and Milton might throw a couple of picks but run the freaking offense.

 

[Rocky Top T]

Banks sucks!

 

[EZE]

And what would be your critique of the offense right now? Is it the kids or the coaches?

The offense is struggling, too.

I think the O Line is struggling to block consistently and the QB struggles to make pre- and post-snap reads…which has led to a more conservative playbook. So, it is all of the above.

Another thing on defense…D Line needs to be more disruptive on both running and passing plays. That would help the secondary a lot.

 

[Cartervol]

Idk it seemed like a huge problem when they scored 26 points in the first half

Charmin soft in the first half..

 

[Volfan76]

If Justin Wilcox gets let go at Cal, I'd love to have him back here.