To Hell With Boise State.

#126
#126
Vercingetorix said:
You're a little harder than I am on them; they were willing to move to the MWC when it still held TCU, BYU, and Utah, so apparently they're willing to upgrade their schedule somewhat. It would just be amusing to see them hem and haw their way around an offer from ESPN to carry four games back to back against, say, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama.
Click to expand...

Talk is cheap to me. They pay lip service to joining conferences of that nature, knowing full well that the MWC isn't letting them in as they stand today. The MWC is also a weak conference, relative to the BCS folks.
 
#127
#127
strongtower said:
dude get your panties out of a wad, been messing with everyone here who are just being hater trolls right now. Give Boise some props. Would they go undefeated in the sec heck no do they play in a weak conference yes hopefully they will go to a real conference someday.
Click to expand...

If Boise were in a real conference, they'd be subject to the same academic qualifications as real-conference schools are, and that would probably kill the parade of California kids up to Idaho that Boise depends on.
 
#128
#128
Vercingetorix said:
If Boise were in a real conference, they'd be subject to the same academic qualifications as real-conference schools are, and that would probably kill the parade of California kids up to Idaho that Boise depends on.
Click to expand...

I make a motion that Boise changes their mascot to the excuses. There is always a reason that Boise State can't be in a real conference or play a real schedule. If Boise plays for the national title this year you can say bye to all of the big out of conference games that the "legit" conferences are playing this weekend. Why play Oregon when we can play UT Martin, WKU, and Tennessee Tech, and it not matter.
 
#129
#129
BigPapaVol said:
Talk is cheap to me. They pay lip service to joining conferences of that nature, knowing full well that the MWC isn't letting them in as they stand today. The MWC is also a weak conference, relative to the BCS folks.
Click to expand...

MWC with Boise, Utah, BYU and TCU is better than the Big East and maybe one other BCS conference nearly every year.

Unfortunately we won't see it with Utah being the consolation prize to the Pac-10's expansion efforts, and BYU going all David Caruso after NYPD Blue.
 
#130
#130
Reverend Rocky To said:
I make a motion that Boise changes their mascot to the excuses. There is always a reason that Boise State can't be in a real conference or play a real schedule. If Boise plays for the national title this year you can say bye to all of the big out of conference games that the "legit" conferences are playing this weekend. Why play Oregon when we can play UT Martin, WKU, and Tennessee Tech, and it not matter.
Click to expand...
I still haven't figured out why all the major BCS programs don't take lessons at the Florida school of non-conference scheduling and do what the BCS is designed to do, which is sandbagging non-major conferences from BCS games and money.
 
#131
#131
milohimself said:
I still haven't figured out why all the major BCS programs don't take lessons at the Florida school of non-conference scheduling and do what the BCS is designed to do, which is sandbagging non-major conferences from BCS games and money.
Click to expand...

and why on earth would the Boises, TCUs and BYUs of the world really play the best football teams out there? They can win a game like last night's once every couple of years, paste the patsy schedule they have and be in the discussion for BCS inclusion and in years with no undefeateds have a shot at the title game.
 
#132
#132
#133
#133
Reverend Rocky To said:
I make a motion that Boise changes their mascot to the excuses. There is always a reason that Boise State can't be in a real conference or play a real schedule. If Boise plays for the national title this year you can say bye to all of the big out of conference games that the "legit" conferences are playing this weekend. Why play Oregon when we can play UT Martin, WKU, and Tennessee Tech, and it not matter.
Click to expand...

I'm not making excuses for Boise as much as pointing out that even the best-case scenario for them -- eventual membership in a so-called real conference -- would end up ruining their program. The route to national respectability that Virginia Tech took isn't really open to Boise, because VPI is a legit academic university in a state full of good football players.

Despite all the media blather, Boise's success isn't just a result of recruiting plucky guys and great coaching. Dan Hawkins built that program into what it is now, and look what's happened to him in Colorado after he moved up into the big leagues. Things are tougher when you can't take a bunch of players that nobody else will.
 
#134
#134
BigPapaVol said:
Talk is cheap to me. They pay lip service to joining conferences of that nature, knowing full well that the MWC isn't letting them in as they stand today. The MWC is also a weak conference, relative to the BCS folks.
Click to expand...

I thought Boise to the MWC was already a done deal, as of this summer right before all the conference-shifting madness started. No?
 
#135
#135
BigPapaVol said:
and why on earth would the Boises, TCUs and BYUs of the world really play the best football teams out there? They can win a game like last night's once every couple of years, paste the patsy schedule they have and be in the discussion for BCS inclusion and in years with no undefeateds have a shot at the title game.
Click to expand...

I generally agree that Boise shouldn't be in this years NCG (short of everybody else having two losses or something) but if they can't this year, then that makes the whole idea of all these teams being in the same division a total farce.

Why have 55-ish teams in the division that could theoretically never win it all, even if they went undefeated for eternity? If that's going to be the case, move them to a lower division and have the power conferences treat those games like FCS, where if you win more than one in a year it doesn't count, or whatever the case is.
 
#136
#136
Vercingetorix said:
I thought Boise to the MWC was already a done deal, as of this summer right before all the conference-shifting madness started. No?
Click to expand...

It is, but any legitimacy the conference might have had is now shot with Utah and BYU leaving. TCU will be the only other program worth a damn.

If they had stayed, they'd be better than the Big East most years, probably on equal footing with the ACC and the Pac-10 on down years.
 
#138
#138
Boise, Nevada, and Fresno St are going to the MWC. Utah and BYU are leaving it. Lots of rumors down here in southeast Texas about MWC interest in Houston.
 
#140
#140
vandyfan71 said:
Give us a break with the Nebraska challenge. Nebraska wanted a 2 for 1 at a cut rate price starting in 2015. Boise merely wanted 900k per road game and a game in 2011. Nebraska stated they did not have an open date on Sept 3, 2011. This proves otherwise: 2011 Nebraska Cornhuskers Football Schedule

as does this: Nebraska Cornhuskers Football Future Schedules

and don't forget this one: Football - Schedule/Results - Huskers.com - Nebraska Athletics Official Web Site
Click to expand...

Maybe Vandy should move to the WAC or the MAC and ya'll could get in the BCS title game talk...
 
#143
#143
Does Boise State deserve to play for the title this season? I'm not sure. I do know they have passed each test over the past couple of seasons against major teams. They've continously proved the media wrong.
 
#144
#144
TennesseeFan07 said:
Does Boise State deserve to play for the title this season? I'm not sure. I do know they have passed each test over the past couple of seasons against major teams. They've continously proved the media wrong.
Click to expand...

Playing for a NC is not a lifetime achievement award. Anything they've done in years past should be immaterial to the argument, but people try to act like it matters somehow.

Suppose Utah St. had upset Oklahoma the other day, and then proceded to run the table against the rest of the WAC. Nobody would be clamoring for them to have a shot at the title because they didn't play the competition throughout the year to deserve that shot. The only difference between that scenario and Boise is that Boise has been good for several seasons. But compliling a series of good wins over half a decade and then cashing in all those chips for a shot at the NC is not the way its supposed to work. It's supposed to be based soley on what a team has accomplished in that season.
 
#145
#145
Tennsolider1 said:
Why doesn't Vandy go also...
Click to expand...

Why would Vandy go anywhere? They invest so little in athletics themselves that they don't even have an athletic director, yet every year they get a giant check for their cut out of the money from bowls that other teams played in. Vandy's got it made.
 
#146
#146
bleedorange0037 said:
Playing for a NC is not a lifetime achievement award. Anything they've done in years past should be immaterial to the argument, but people try to act like it matters somehow.

Suppose Utah St. had upset Oklahoma the other day, and then proceded to run the table against the rest of the WAC. Nobody would be clamoring for them to have a shot at the title because they didn't play the competition throughout the year to deserve that shot. The only difference between that scenario and Boise is that Boise has been good for several seasons. But compliling a series of good wins over half a decade and then cashing in all those chips for a shot at the NC is not the way its supposed to work. It's supposed to be based soley on what a team has accomplished in that season.
Click to expand...

The media has always claimed that Boise couldn't compete with the big boys. Boise keeps proving they can. So how will the media spin it this time? SOS?

I'm just saying the argument that Boise can't compete with the BCS teams has been proven wrong.
 
#148
#148
Vercingetorix said:
Why would Vandy go anywhere? They invest so little in athletics themselves that they don't even have an athletic director, yet every year they get a giant check for their cut out of the money from bowls that other teams played in. Vandy's got it made.
Click to expand...

Bingo.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
#149
#149
TennesseeFan07 said:
The media has always claimed that Boise couldn't compete with the big boys. Boise keeps proving they can. So how will the media spin it this time? SOS?

I'm just saying the argument that Boise can't compete with the BCS teams has been proven wrong.
Click to expand...

That's not really up for debate. They compete with top teams the one or two times a year that they encounter them. All I'm saying is that until they play a schedule that includes a challenge basically every week, then they have no business competing for college football's top prize. It seems silly to me to penalize teams for playing against the best competition and reward Boise for playing no one.
 
#150
#150
bleedorange0037 said:
That's not really up for debate. They compete with top teams the one or two times a year that they encounter them. All I'm saying is that until they play a schedule that includes a challenge basically every week, then they have no business competing for college football's top prize. It seems silly to me to penalize teams for playing against the best competition and reward Boise for playing no one.
Click to expand...

How do you decide where the line between good competition and bad competition is? It isn't apparently based on wins and losses, so...
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top