To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Obviously, not wearing a mask on provate property is a matter for the police to insert themselves in... and they don't seem to have an issue with it.

I guess if I'm a guest at someone's home and the dinner is too salty or the air conditioning is not set at the right temp that the police should insert themselves in that also.

Pretty soon, the police will be able to insert themselves in all sorts of trivial disputes at any residence under the umbrella of "trespassing".

Or, police can exercise a bit of common sense and discretion.

If the dispatcher gets a 911 call about someone not wearing a mask in a residence or private establishment, that cop has a decision to make...
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If you refuse to leave the person’s home as you are asked and make a scene that is the crime. No one cares about the actual mask or salt or anything else in your emotional post. Just do what people want you to on their own property or leave when they ask. If not, you are committing trespassing. It’s not rocket science and most normal people understand this
 
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hog88 said:
The problem is cops like you and your Sheriff are getting to retirement age and being replaced with kids juicing steroids and out for the adrenaline rush.
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False. Actually newer officers today are less likely to use force to the point it endangers then in some cases
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm all for property rights.

But there are some things that should involve the police and other things that should not.

If I make a rule that you can't enter my home with shoes on and someone refuses, then I need to be the one that handles that issue. Not the police. That is an arbitrary house rule that I have established that I need to enforce.

On the other hand, if there is an act of violence, damage to property being committed or someone comes uninvited/intrudes, then that is when the police are warranted and necessary.

Property rights come with responsibilities for the property owner, as well.
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Police aren’t normally called to handle these disputes unless someone refuses to leave
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Go talk to a law enforcement state trainer about it. Educate yourself past the small town police force that you are familiar with
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Sorry Ricky but no way would I trust anything coming from the LEO state trainer and if it's happening in the small town I'm familiar with it's happening right next door in the big Metro.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No sh*t, Sherlock.
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From a pragmatic and common sense stand point, law enforcement should not be called to enforce some arbitrary rule you have on your property. That should be your responsibility to enforce.

Some guy not taking his shoes off in your house or not wearing a mask should not be a law enforcement matter. It is hard enough to get these guys to correctly enforce the silly azz laws that legislators come up with. Now they have to enforce you arbitrary silly azz house rules, also? Its nonsense like this that allows for law enforcement to encroach even more into areas where they do not belong, and it also removes responsibility from the property owner from the consequences of the decision they made. A property owner creates an arbitrary rule that they have no obligation of enforcing... they sub it out to the govt to enforce.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From a pragmatic and common sense stand point, law enforcement should not be called to enforce some arbitrary rule you have on your property. That should be your responsibility to enforce.

Some guy not taking his shoes off in your house or not wearing a mask should not be a law enforcement matter. It is hard enough to get these guys to correctly enforce the silly azz laws that legislators come up with. Now they have to enforce you arbitrary silly azz house rules, also? Its nonsense like this that allows for law enforcement to encroach even more into areas where they do not belong, and it also removes responsibility from the property owner from the consequences of the decision they made. A property owner creates an arbitrary rule that they have no obligation of enforcing... they sub it out to the govt to enforce.
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So I should be allowed to kill the guy for not following the rules in my house or place of business and just dump his body on the street?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From a pragmatic and common sense stand point, law enforcement should not be called to enforce some arbitrary rule you have on your property. That should be your responsibility to enforce.

Some guy not taking his shoes off in your house or not wearing a mask should not be a law enforcement matter. It is hard enough to get these guys to correctly enforce the silly azz laws that legislators come up with. Now they have to enforce you arbitrary silly azz house rules, also? Its nonsense like this that allows for law enforcement to encroach even more into areas where they do not belong, and it also removes responsibility from the property owner from the consequences of the decision they made. A property owner creates an arbitrary rule that they have no obligation of enforcing... they sub it out to the govt to enforce.
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They aren’t there to enforce the arbitrary rules, ras. They’re there to enforce property rights. If you aren’t following the rules the property owner sets forth, you’re trespassing and must leave or be removed.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
They aren’t there to enforce the arbitrary rules, ras. They’re there to enforce property rights. If you aren’t following the rules the property owner sets forth, you’re trespassing and must leave or be removed.
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I understand how things are... my argument is that from an ideal and pragmatic approach, that is your responsibility to enforce your arbitrary rules.

Now if someone shows up uninvited or you have a person endangering life, limb or property, then that justifies using law enforcement resources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From a pragmatic and common sense stand point, law enforcement should not be called to enforce some arbitrary rule you have on your property. That should be your responsibility to enforce.

Some guy not taking his shoes off in your house or not wearing a mask should not be a law enforcement matter. It is hard enough to get these guys to correctly enforce the silly azz laws that legislators come up with. Now they have to enforce you arbitrary silly azz house rules, also? Its nonsense like this that allows for law enforcement to encroach even more into areas where they do not belong, and it also removes responsibility from the property owner from the consequences of the decision they made. A property owner creates an arbitrary rule that they have no obligation of enforcing... they sub it out to the govt to enforce.
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It isn't a matter of them enforcing an arbitrary rule. It's a matter of private property rights. If someone is on your property that you don't want there for whatever reason and they refuse to leave upon you asking them to (aka trespassing), the options are either to call law enforcement or start an altercation. Are you saying that people should start potentially violent altercations instead of calling law enforcement?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I understand how things are... my argument is that from an ideal and pragmatic approach, that is your responsibility to enforce your arbitrary rules.

Now if someone shows up uninvited or you have a person endangering life, limb or property, then that justifies using law enforcement resources.
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The police's number 1 job should be to protect property rights whether it be from individuals or other .gov entities.
 
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hog88 said:
So I should be allowed to kill the guy for not following the rules in my house or place of business and just dump his body on the street?
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You would have to be held under the same scrutiny as a law enforcement (should) be held under. Now in today's world, cops can pop a cap in you for running away, so the property owner may get off.

 
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hog88 said:
Are you saying that people should start potentially violent altercations instead of calling law enforcement?
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I'm saying that you, as the property owner have rights... and with those rights, you have responsibilities.

I'm empowering the property owner by putting the responsibility of enforcing their rules back on them.
 
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And just for good measure, don't expect the veterans to bail you out, either.

Too many in this country have an unhealthy relationship with people in uniform. These people will choose sides when the SHTF and you are not on their side. They will side with the state. History shows that.

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And just for good measure, don't expect the veterans to bail you out, either.

Too many in this country have an unhealthy relationship with people in uniform. These people will choose sides when the SHTF and you are not on their side. They will side with the state. History shows that.

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That's a female REMF, doubt she could even hit what she's shooting at.
 
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