To Protect and to Serve II

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InVOLuntary said:
@Rasputin_Vol

So someone shows up to your house and acts like an ass, hits on your wife, daughter. You ask them to leave. They become belligerent and refuse to leave. What do you do?
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Hopefully, I'm able to get a few shots off and save the day and call the police after the situation is over.

I'm not certain where you are going with this...
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It was an honest question. No motive. I was just trying to understand your position.
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Someone coming in and engaging in violence (criminal activity) is far different than someone coming in and essentially being rude, disrespectful and lacking common courtesy.

I pretty much think I made a clear distinction here:

Rasputin_Vol said:
If I make a rule that you can't enter my home with shoes on and someone refuses, then I need to be the one that handles that issue. Not the police. That is an arbitrary house rule that I have established that I need to enforce.

On the other hand, if there is an act of violence, damage to property being committed or someone comes uninvited/intrudes, then that is when the police are warranted and necessary.

Property rights come with responsibilities for the property owner, as well.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Someone coming in and engaging in violence (criminal activity) is far different than someone coming in and essentially being rude, disrespectful and lacking common courtesy.

I pretty much think I made a clear distinction here:
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In my post I didn't imply they were engaging in criminal activity. I didn't mean actually placing hands on your wife.or daughter when I said hitting on them. I meant being rude, obnoxious, lewd. I'm not sure that would be considered illegal. What's illegal is when you ask them to leave and they don't leave. At that point you can take law into your own hands or you can call the law and have them removed. I have an idea they would prosecute you for murder if you shot an unarmed man when he's not physically attacking you.

Again, I'm not trying to trap you, I'm trying to determine when you think lethal force is justified and when you think its appropriate to call the police.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
In my post I didn't imply they were engaging in criminal activity. I didn't mean actually placing hands on your wife.or daughter when I said hitting on them. I meant being rude, obnoxious, lewd. I'm not sure that would be considered illegal. What's illegal is when you ask them to leave and they don't leave. At that point you can take law into your own hands or you can call the law and have them removed. I have an idea they would prosecute you for murder if you shot an unarmed man when he's not physically attacking you.

Again, I'm not trying to trap you, I'm trying to determine when you think lethal force is justified and when you think its appropriate to call the police.
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Oh, when you said "hits on your wife" I was thinking you said "hit my wife". But either way, the outcome should be the same. That isn't something for the police to resolve.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So you're ok with killing a person trespassing? Not willing to leave when asked?
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In this hypothetical, the first thing would be to ask them to leave. And then if they refuse then it can get physical where I either try to push out or do whatever is necessary to get them out. I would say that even in a situation that you are talking about, I'm not sure if I would have an opportunity to call the police or if I did call, if they would show up before one of us is dead/seriously injured.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You can’t shoot someone for trespassing
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I understand that. I misunderstood his question.

Obviously a verbal warning before shots fired.

I look at TV and see how cops do it, so I would expect to get the same courtesy when I go to court.
 
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They had no problem arresting people on the beaches and enforcing other nonsense, but as soon as it affected them, now they want to stand with the people. Did these fools not see this coming last year? Did they really not expect the tyranny to pass them by? Don't answer that... they probably did think they would skate by.

Police, Firefighters In LA Form Group To Resist Vaccine Mandates | ZeroHedge

Police and firefighters in Los Angeles have formed a resistance group against COVID vaccine mandates for state workers in the city, stating that they aim to “maintain human rights, constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties as sovereign natural free human beings, and American citizens."
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I guess now we gotta call LAPD "sovereign citizens" now...
 
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So the Minneapolis City Council seems dead set on eliminating their Police Department. A Hennepin County judge rejected the proposed ballot language as ambiguous, and now the City Council is holding an emergency meeting to revise the language. Ultimately, it will go before the voters of Minneapolis.

Personally, I hope the measure passes. You get what you vote for. A majority of the citizens of Minneapolis voted for their leaders, and now they are about to serve as a cautionary tale. Sometimes your function in life is to serve as a warning to others.

So it goes with Minneapolis. There are a number of cities these days that are all but completely unsafe to live in, or near.

Minneapolis is about to say "Hold my beer."
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
So the Minneapolis City Council seems dead set on eliminating their Police Department. A Hennepin County judge rejected the proposed ballot language as ambiguous, and now the City Council is holding an emergency meeting to revise the language. Ultimately, it will go before the voters of Minneapolis.

Personally, I hope the measure passes. You get what you vote for. A majority of the citizens of Minneapolis voted for their leaders, and now they are about to serve as a cautionary tale. Sometimes your function in life is to serve as a warning to others.

So it goes with Minneapolis. There are a number of cities these days that are all but completely unsafe to live in, or near.

Minneapolis is about to say "Hold my beer."
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What’s scary is the people pushing this stuff have infiltrated most major cities. We see it in Knoxville right now with the Covid stuff. Groups posing as teachers are trying to organize walkouts so schools will shut down and there’ll get their way. It starts small and moves on to other things like abolishing the police.
 
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davethevol said:
What’s scary is the people pushing this stuff have infiltrated most major cities. We see it in Knoxville right now with the Covid stuff. Groups posing as teachers are trying to organize walkouts so schools will shut down and there’ll get their way. It starts small and moves on to other things like abolishing the police.
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When I retire, we're going to end up in a two-bedroom cabin somewhere in the East TN area. Hopefully on the side of a hill. Walland, Townsend, Seymour, or more down towards the Tellico area. Maybe North Georgia. That's a good area as well. But wherever we end up, it will be nowhere near where all of that crap is floating at or near, and we are going to live out our years in peace, and quiet.

Unless someone tries to take it away from us.
 
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tim said:
You’ll shoot someone over a simple assault?
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It's not necessarily an unreasonable response if I'm held to the same standards as law enforcement. But again, in this hypothetical, there would have be a certain chain of events that would need to happen before it gets out of hand. There is no guarantee that I would be able to call the cops during a hypothetical like this. You are talking about an extreme and a rare event.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
So the Minneapolis City Council seems dead set on eliminating their Police Department. A Hennepin County judge rejected the proposed ballot language as ambiguous, and now the City Council is holding an emergency meeting to revise the language. Ultimately, it will go before the voters of Minneapolis.

Personally, I hope the measure passes. You get what you vote for. A majority of the citizens of Minneapolis voted for their leaders, and now they are about to serve as a cautionary tale. Sometimes your function in life is to serve as a warning to others.

So it goes with Minneapolis. There are a number of cities these days that are all but completely unsafe to live in, or near.

Minneapolis is about to say "Hold my beer."
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Just give the people the same powers and immunity to handle these situations and everything will be fine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just give the people the same powers and immunity to handle these situations and everything will be fine.
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Yeah, that’s a purely foolish hill to die on, but you do you. Safe to say you won’t be relocating to Minneapolis to enjoy those “powers and immunity”.
 
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